ESPN IS DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Finsfan79]

Recently to those that watch they have been putting up USC against teams of the top 10 ever.

Which is fine, except for a few things.
1. USC 2005 hasnt won the rose bowl yet and honestly I think Texas can take them. (yes debatable).
2. They keep calling them 3 time national champions of the BCS. When if they win this time it will be 2 time. They were not the BCS champ 2 years ago, that was LSU in that bowl game.
3. It is redictulous to see ESPN claiming that they would destroy some of the teams they are.

Some of the BS calls

They claim the 2005 USC team would beat the '97 Michigan Team by 40 pts? WTF? That team had a defense that could slaughter people.

They claim the 2005 USC team would be able to defeat the OSU 2002 team by 20-30 pts. I could see them beating OSU (miami was the real champs that year), but still by that margin?

Now something that truly pissed me off here.


They said that USC 2005 would beat the 2001 Canes.

Now we are talking about the canes team that had 17 number draft picks come off of it over the next three years. We are talking about a canes team that had 3 ROY, 1 DPOY and about 90% of that team is now in the NFL.

Here is a list of just Some of the players.

Dorsey in the NFL
Portis 1300 yards per season in the NFL + All Pro+ ROY
McGahee 1000+ rusher in the NFL
Andre Johnson Pro Bowl WR in the NFL, 2nd in ROY voting,
Shockey Pro Bowl Tight End
Winslow - NFL top 5 pick
Davenport NFL Running back
McKinne NFL player
Bilba NFL player
Gonzalez NFL player
Romberg NFL player
Haji-Rasouli NFL player
Wilkins NFL Player
Vernan Carey NFL Player
Eric Winston NFL 1st round pick this year
Parrish NFL player

That is just on offense.

Ed Reed DPOY
Jerome McDougle NFL Player
D.J. Williams NFL player
Johnathan Vilma DROY tackles leader NFL
Mike Rumph NFL Player
Williams Joseph NFL Player
Phillip Buchanon NFL player top 10 pick
Sean Taylor(In Nickle Coverage) NFL player
Antrelle Rolle NFL Player top 10 pick too
Kelly Jennings NFL 2nd rounder this year on the bench and dime
Vince Willfork NFL player (pro bowl bound)


There is alot more players, this is just some of them on that team that I figured I would list for you. I really was annoyed when ESPN claims that USC 2005 would beat this team (that went 30+ wins too btw) by a large margin because they have better talent.

Give me a break please. ESPN is turning into soap opera

[CatClaw]

Yea...this does just get ridiculous...can't they cover TOs workouts or something???? j/k....there has to be more ACTUAL sporting events they can cover...save these comparisons for AFTER the rose bowl and put it on ESPN classic or somethin'.....

[Zim3031]

But if they say someone will beat USC, no one will want to watch the remainder of it

[Finsfan79]

here is a few of the breakdowns

Leinart vs Dorsey = Leinart
Bush +white vs Portis + McGahee = Portis (4 season 1300 each best ever for that) + McGahee (1000 every year)
Bing vs Ed Reed = Ed Reed
Dominique Byrd vs Jeremy Shockey + Kevin Winslow= Hmm Jeremy and Kevin perhaps?
Winston Justice vs Carey = about equal both are RT and drafted about the same area.
Frostee Rucker vs Vince Wilfork = Hmmm hard one, How about Vilma DROY ?
Jarret vs Andre Johnson = Not even close Johnson

I am not even putting Jennings, Rolle or the rest of the Secondary now in the NFL in there. I am not putting in Vilma tackles leader and DROY last year. I am not putting bucannon whom is a monster specially in college.

USC wouldnt score 20 pts on that defense

[lawdog93]

My problem with this is that they haven't even beat Texas yet! Aren't we putting the cart before the horse so to speak? If 2005 USC wins the Rose, then we can talk...especially since the 2004 Trojans were better.

[Finsfan79]

agreed totally and completely.

But I dont think you can toss them into the catagory of the 2001 Canes. Or say they will run up 50 points over what michigan in 97 would put up. Or even the OSU team in 2002

[YoHoChecko]

Originally Posted by Finsfan79

Recently to those that watch they have been putting up USC against teams of the top 10 ever.

Which is fine, except for a few things.
1. USC 2005 hasnt won the rose bowl yet and honestly I think Texas can take them. (yes debatable).
2. They keep calling them 3 time national champions of the BCS. When if they win this time it will be 2 time. They were not the BCS champ 2 years ago, that was LSU in that bowl game.
3. It is redictulous to see ESPN claiming that they would destroy some of the teams they are.

Some of the BS calls

They claim the 2005 USC team would beat the '97 Michigan Team by 40 pts? WTF? That team had a defense that could slaughter people.

They claim the 2005 USC team would be able to defeat the OSU 2002 team by 20-30 pts. I could see them beating OSU (miami was the real champs that year), but still by that margin?

Now something that truly pissed me off here.


They said that USC 2005 would beat the 2001 Canes.

Now we are talking about the canes team that had 17 number draft picks come off of it over the next three years. We are talking about a canes team that had 3 ROY, 1 DPOY and about 90% of that team is now in the NFL.

Here is a list of just Some of the players.

Dorsey in the NFL
Portis 1300 yards per season in the NFL + All Pro+ ROY
McGahee 1000+ rusher in the NFL
Andre Johnson Pro Bowl WR in the NFL, 2nd in ROY voting,
Shockey Pro Bowl Tight End
Winslow - NFL top 5 pick
Davenport NFL Running back
McKinne NFL player
Bilba NFL player
Gonzalez NFL player
Romberg NFL player
Haji-Rasouli NFL player
Wilkins NFL Player
Vernan Carey NFL Player
Eric Winston NFL 1st round pick this year
Parrish NFL player

That is just on offense.

Ed Reed DPOY
Jerome McDougle NFL Player
D.J. Williams NFL player
Johnathan Vilma DROY tackles leader NFL
Mike Rumph NFL Player
Williams Joseph NFL Player
Phillip Buchanon NFL player top 10 pick
Sean Taylor(In Nickle Coverage) NFL player
Antrelle Rolle NFL Player top 10 pick too
Kelly Jennings NFL 2nd rounder this year on the bench and dime
Vince Willfork NFL player (pro bowl bound)


There is alot more players, this is just some of them on that team that I figured I would list for you. I really was annoyed when ESPN claims that USC 2005 would beat this team (that went 30+ wins too btw) by a large margin because they have better talent.

Give me a break please. ESPN is turning into soap opera

Ok, a few things... first of all, I agree, they should be comparing the 2004 USC Trojans to the past greats, not the 2005, because '04 already won the championship and because the team was better last year. The offense was approximately the same, though it produced less... because the defense last season was dominant, producing two irst-day picks at DT and probably the defensive rookie of the year Lofa Tatuptu at MLB.

Last year's Trojans team will stack up just fine with any of the greats. If the Trojans, however, lose to Texas (which they could) they will have succeeded in doing exactly what the Canes did during their run in 2000-2002, which is:

Year one: early season loss, won the rest of their games, dominated, left out by BCS championship game

Year two: undefeated, won the championship

Year three: undefeated entering the championship game as favorites to win, stretching their win streak to the lower-mid 30s

At this point, these two teams are even in terms of what theyhave accomplished over a 3-year period. Your RB assessment, I think, is off, given that Portis and McGahee never shared the backfield in the way that the Trojans have the past two seasons, so to count BOTH of them when looking at the 2001 Miami team isn't really accurate, as both would not be on the field for significant playing time.

Otherwise, though, it seems pretty accurate, but you have to think, as I am, about the '04 Trojans versus the '01 Canes and see how that works out... I think that matchup would have been one hell of a game, and am sorry that it can't ever be done.

NOW, as far as ESPN "saying" this or that about who would beat who, you're off. Kirk Herbstreet said he'd take Miami by a TD, Mark May said he'd take USC by a few points... then FANS vote on who they think would win. Fans have short memories, so they go with the team that's here and now, so USC keeps winning. So ESPN is at fault for hyping USC and giving fans the opportunity to vote, but the results are not ESPN's decisions.

[YoHoChecko]

Originally Posted by Finsfan79

agreed totally and completely.

But I dont think you can toss them into the catagory of the 2001 Canes. Or say they will run up 50 points over what michigan in 97 would put up. Or even the OSU team in 2002

Your method comparison is unfair, given that the 2001 Canes have all graduated and could be placed into the NFL... you have no idea how many USC players from this team will end up in the NFL or what they will be doing, so if you want to compare their careers in the NFL, the Canes will win. The Trojans have a decent chance of having teammates go 1-2 in the draft this season for the first time since 1967...

They could place Bush, Leinert, White, maybe Justice in the first round, while none of their recievers are even old enough to be drafted except their #2 guy who would likely be a second rounder as a junior. It's far too early to compare Johnson and Jarrett, though Jarrett does not have the speed Johnson did.

The '04 team already had a DT in the first round, and a DT and ILB in the second round last season. most of their secondary is still too young to be drafted, they have two very good OLBs who played last year as freshmen and sophomores... the team will put a great deal of players into the NFL, just like Miami did, but it's too early to judge those results.

But again, I agree that it is wrong to compare the '05 team with former college greats, especially before this game; if the USC D shuts down Texas, then maybe we can talk...

[Soel v25]

Well, if nothing else, this should be providing Texas with some great motivation. However you try to justify it,espn as usual is going overboard,and jumping the gun here.

[YoHoChecko]

Originally Posted by soel21

Well, if nothing else, this should be providing Texas with some great motivation. However you try to justify it,espn as usual is going overboard,and jumping the gun here.

Oh absolutely! I'm not even trying to justify it. I think they should do this with the 2004 Trojans, not the 2005.. and when all is said and done, with the 2002-200? Trojans, as far as college football dominant stretches go... as it is right now, they're jumping the gun