Trade Offer.

[MarvinMartian]

I was offered Aquan Boldin and Ronnie Brown for Ryan Mathews.

Scoring is pretty standard(1 points for 10 yards rushing recieving, 6 for TD's, .5 per reception being the only difference).

Mathews has done nothing yet, but I truly believe he'll be a stud.

Here are my WR's and RB's right now.

RB's:

Ryan Mathews
Cedric Benson
LeSean McCoy
Arian Foster(Houston)
Amhad Bradshaw
Kevin Smith
Devin McCluster

WR's:

Reggie Wayne
Steve Smith(Carolina)
Donald Driver
Mike Sims-Walker
Demarius Thomas(Denver)
Roy Williams.

I think I'm weaker overall at RB than WR...but adding Boldin and Ronnie Brown could offset the loss of Mathews, especially considering that he's not a proven commodity yet.


Any ideas on this trade guys?

[Dreamers]

I don't think Mathews will be a stud this year but I also don't think it is worth it. Brown is no better then the guys you have and it doesn't look like your in dire need of a WR. Thomas, Smith, and Wayne are a strong starting 3 IMO. Boldin is a stud but not a huge upgrade over that group. Mathews just has a better chance at being what you need.

[MarvinMartian]

Thanks Dreamers.

[l.a. no-teamers]

I'd be all up on that. Ronnie Brown is always great as long as he's healthy, so your gamble is on his health really. . otherwise its a no brainer

[MarvinMartian]

So You're saying I should take the trade lanoteamers?

[l.a. no-teamers]

I would, but you seem to believe that Mathews will be a stud, so that's an underlying difference of opinion. I just dont think most rookie RBs are capable of being 'studs', especially one in a team that couldn't run block last year and is now without their best lineman. just my opinion though

I think Ronnie Brown is a stud when he's healthy, and if/when he gets hurt, you seem to have pretty good depth to replace him. Getting Boldin makes that a no brainer

[MarvinMartian]

Okay, thanks.

[Texecutioner]

It's a very interesting trade. I think Mathews will be a stud and you're aware of that. I invested a lot into him myself. But Teamers is right about Ronnie Brown. He's a Fantasy stud when he's healthy. They run the wildcat and Brown just gets a ton of touches. Boldin is coming with it as well.

But then you could also look at it another way and realize that you have a lot of talent at both RB and WR. I think that Mathews will definitely score more than Brown will this season, so I'd probably keep him.

[Blackmallard]

I'd take it, you're adding two players with a huge upside. Now is the time to trade a guy like Matthews, he hasn't played a down yet and he's a first round projection, his value can't get higher even if he's a stud but it can go into the toilet if he gets off to a slow start.

[MarvinMartian]

Thanks guys.

[Dreamers]

lol It amazes me how people sill think Brown is a stud. Bust, bust is the word your looking for. Healthy he is an average starter at best. Add his health he is barely bottom 10. He is made of glass and can be shut down by a good rushing D. I'd take Foster, Benson, and McCoy over him. And I do not even like McCoy as a starter.

[Texecutioner]

lol It amazes me how people sill think Brown is a stud. Bust, bust is the word your looking for. Healthy he is an average starter at best. Add his health he is barely bottom 10. He is made of glass and can be shut down by a good rushing D. I'd take Foster, Benson, and McCoy over him. And I do not even like McCoy as a starter.

Brown is one of the most productive backs in the league if he is healthy. You are completely wrong about that and Miami is a productive running team that has to run the ball. I can understand the health concerns, but other than that if Brown is healthy he's a proven stud and has been for the last few years.

I like their running game so much that I've got Ricky as a 2nd RB on my team. They will run so much that Brown and Ricky will get a ton of carries.

[Dreamers]

Brown is one of the most productive backs in the league if he is healthy. You are completely wrong about that and Miami is a productive running team that has to run the ball. I can understand the health concerns, but other than that if Brown is healthy he's a proven stud and has been for the last few years.

I like their running game so much that I've got Ricky as a 2nd RB on my team. They will run so much that Brown and Ricky will get a ton of carries.

Brown hasn't proven squat. We have had this talk a lot over the last 5 years and he still hasn't done anything great. Stop making excuses and just admit he is not a stud RB at this point in his career. Stud RBs can give you a 1400+ APY seasons every year. He is good against bad rushing D teams but has been shut down by even average rushing Ds. That is not a stud RB. AP, MJD, Jackson, and CJ are studs Brown is a late rounder that you think still has something left in the tank. He has never been great and never will. Miami has been great running the ball without him too. Williams has looked better then Brown in his absence and before that Jesse Chatman, Lorenzo Booker, and Sammy Morris all had very good #s. Those are all guys that have seen poor play sense leaving Miami. He is about as good as Bell was in Denver IMO. A viable guy but not a stud.

[Texecutioner]

Brown hasn't proven squat. We have had this talk a lot over the last 5 years and he still hasn't done anything great. Stop making excuses and just admit he is not a stud RB at this point in his career. Stud RBs can give you a 1400+ APY seasons every year. He is good against bad rushing D teams but has been shut down by even average rushing Ds. That is not a stud RB. AP, MJD, Jackson, and CJ are studs Brown is a late rounder that you think still has something left in the tank. He has never been great and never will. Miami has been great running the ball without him too. Williams has looked better then Brown in his absence and before that Jesse Chatman, Lorenzo Booker, and Sammy Morris all had very good #s. Those are all guys that have seen poor play sense leaving Miami. He is about as good as Bell was in Denver IMO. A viable guy but not a stud.

Wow. Just wow.

[|(evin|(olb|(ritik]

I'm with everybody else here not named Dreamers. I'd make that trade. Brown has trouble staying healthy but when he is he's a fantasy point machine. As high as people are on the Ryan Matthews bandwagon its tough to project whats going to happen to him once the regular season starts and things get more complicated. He will be yielding significant carries to Darren Sproles here and there, its unlikely that he gets treated like a workhorse back. You kinda hope Matthews gets the lions share of the carries but its hard to say just what its going to look like on sundays at this point. Brown and Boldin add up to alot of points and if you start 3 WR's in your league I wouldn't want to be relying on any of your receivers not named Wayne and Smith. Thomas is a rookie coming from a college system where he didn't run a traditional route tree, i'd be very leary of him this year and Sims-Walker and RW just don't have the recent production that you know you're gonna get from Boldin.

[l.a. no-teamers]

The Chargers were a terrible run blocking team last year too, and now they're gonna be without their best Olineman, at least for now. I also read there's a strong possibility that Tolbert will be their goal line back along with Hester. It doesn't help that Mathews got stuffed twice inside the 5 in one of the preseason games .. I just don't understand the fantasy optimism with Mathews. He's a rookie, and rookies are rarely 'studs'

[Texecutioner]

The Chargers were a terrible run blocking team last year too, and now they're gonna be without their best Olineman, at least for now. I also read there's a strong possibility that Tolbert will be their goal line back along with Hester. It doesn't help that Mathews got stuffed twice inside the 5 in one of the preseason games .. I just don't understand the fantasy optimism with Mathews. He's a rookie, and rookies are rarely 'studs'

This is not true actually. It just depends on the load of carries they get. I'm always high on certain rookies every year and they prove to be successful a lot as long as they get the rock. A Rb can come right into the NFL and start running for tons of yards unlike other skill positions where there is such a high learning curve.

MJD was great his rookie season.

AP had his best year as a rookie before he got hurt.

Chris Johnson was fantastic as a rookie and even had to share a lot of carries and GL touches

Steve Slaton didn't even start the season as the starter, but once he got the start he had a great season where he was almost the ROTY.

Matt Forte had a great rookie season where he had a lot of rushing yards and receiving yards.

Cadillac Williams had broken a rookie record a few years ago with like 3 straight 100 yard games before getting hurt, but then when he returned he was great at the end of the year.

Look at how great LT was with SD when he was a rookie.

Marshawn Lynch had a very impressive rookie year even.


There are all sorts of guys I could point to that have strong rookie seasons at RB. They just have to go to a team where they will get enough touches. I look for certain rookie RB's every season actually, and in many cases, I trust them more than certain vets if the team has confidence in them because so many of the vets have so many miles on them and are more prone to injury in many cases..