NE-DET proposal

[Sway29]

Alright we are coming to the end of randy moss so here is my proposal to get a replacement.

to the lions:
2011 NE 1st round pick
2012 NE 2nd round pick
Julian Edelman
Matt Light

to NE:
Calvin Johnson

Reasoning:

The Lions are not there yet but the added draft picks will help alot, edelman can help be a safety blanket for the young qb situation. Also Light helps protect Stafford for a few years.

The pats get a proven kid who can be in the offense for a long time, they have vollmer to step in on the line and help, bringing in cj makes them have easily the best 1-2 with moss, and that means no rush in bring Welker back.

Go ahead and make fun of a dreamer.

I also know it will never happen, but a guy can dream... hows the value though

[Thedeprivedwriter]

That's an interesting proposal, I'll give my two takes.

Fantasy/Fan Likelihood:
It seems semi-fair to both teams. Two first round picks for the future, as well as some proven players for the Lions. A dominating RZ and deep threat for one of the more accurate QBs in the game would spell trouble for the division, plus he's still young.

Actual Likelihood:
Not going to happen. Like you said, this will never happen, but a guy can dream. I'd like to dream that Andre Johnson will be traded to the Lions for some B-list players and draft picks, but that's not going to happen. This is merely a pipe dream.

[StevenSD]

Lions wouldn't give up their best offensive threat for that.

I'd throw in the 1st from 2012 and a 3rd, plus the two players you mentioned.

That seems a fair price for a teams best offensive player.

[l.a. no-teamers]

I think Calvin Johnson might be the most talented WR since a young Randy Moss came into the league, but right now, but because of the facination with the freakishness of his 'potential', he is a tad overrated. He wasn't so great last season. Obviously he was great his 2nd year, but he regressed a lot last year for a variety of reasons, some valid, some not so much. He's far from a proven superstar in this league.

That being said, I dont think that trade would be good for either team. The Pats are aging, and I dont think trading that many picks for a merely above average WR is going to help them a lot.

Lions on the other hand, as SD said, would be trading their only real offensive threat and prolonging their rebuilding

[|(evin|(olb|(ritik]

Not only are you smoking crack with your dream here of obtaining Calvin Johnson but I don't think the value is where it would need to be. With Calvins production, contract, and age all factored in he's got Larry Fitzgerald type value here. You're looking at 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks as entry level trade value right now and you may still be giving up Edelman and Light on top of that who carry very little value themselves.

If the Pats were willing to give up all of that for 1 WR i'm pretty sure Detroit would make the move and the rest of us could giggle and point at the hoodie.

[Sway29]

Oh I knew it was a pipe dream, just starting to get this forum going and hope others will come up with there own. It was that or a haynesworth trade do that ones next

[TexecutedInTampa]

Oh I knew it was a pipe dream, just starting to get this forum going and hope others will come up with there own. It was that or a haynesworth trade do that ones next

As dead as this forum is, don't do a Haynesworth pipe dream....he is SO not a NE guy.

Appreciate what you're trying to do....I couldn't do it. I do have an idea that makes me queasy, though....

I am starting to suspect 2010 will be Brady's last year in NE. He is going into the last year of a team-friendly deal and there has been no extension. He's now an NFLPA rep and is on record as being opposed to an 18 game season....NE's owner loves the idea of 18 games.

In NE, we fear he wants to be on the Left Coast. I look at that as follows: SD doesn't need him, LA doesn't have a team, Oakland LOL.....SF MAY be the place.

[Texecutioner]

As dead as this forum is, don't do a Haynesworth pipe dream....he is SO not a NE guy.

Appreciate what you're trying to do....I couldn't do it. I do have an idea that makes me queasy, though....

I am starting to suspect 2010 will be Brady's last year in NE. He is going into the last year of a team-friendly deal and there has been no extension. He's now an NFLPA rep and is on record as being opposed to an 18 game season....NE's owner loves the idea of 18 games.

In NE, we fear he wants to be on the Left Coast. I look at that as follows: SD doesn't need him, LA doesn't have a team, Oakland LOL.....SF MAY be the place.

You honestly think that the Pats aren't going to retain Tom Brady's services??? I can guarantee you they will. Their front office has not shown themselves to be crazy. Brady still had a stellar season last year. He just wasn't the world beater in every form that he was prior to his injury. And if the Pats had planned on replacing him like that I think they would have done it with Cassell when they had a chance then.

[l.a. no-teamers]

As dead as this forum is, don't do a Haynesworth pipe dream....he is SO not a NE guy.

Appreciate what you're trying to do....I couldn't do it. I do have an idea that makes me queasy, though....

I am starting to suspect 2010 will be Brady's last year in NE. He is going into the last year of a team-friendly deal and there has been no extension. He's now an NFLPA rep and is on record as being opposed to an 18 game season....NE's owner loves the idea of 18 games.

In NE, we fear he wants to be on the Left Coast. I look at that as follows: SD doesn't need him, LA doesn't have a team, Oakland LOL.....SF MAY be the place.

I've never heard this, but it's interesting and not that far fetched given Brady's background. He's actually from the bay area, more specifically San Mateo. I have a friend that's the same age as Brady and grew up competing against him in baseball in that area, and I know he (my friend) identifies himself with SF and as a 49ers fan, so it wouldn't shock me if Brady was the same way given they grew up in the same neighborhood.

[TexecutedInTampa]

Brady did grow up a 49ers fan, Joe Montana was his idol. Between that and the 49ers not having a lock-down QB, NE fans are worried:)

[TexecutedInTampa]

It's not about his play, not at all. It's about $$ and does he still want to be here. He took a team-friendly deal in 2005 because it would allow the Pats to spend on other players....he ended up throwing to Reche Caldwell in the 2006 AFCCG. They sort of burned him in that respect.

He won't take a deal like that now. This is probably his last big deal. I do think NE is waiting for Indy to do Manning's deal (which is stupid, it will set the bar much too high for Kraft's liking).

They DON'T plan on replacing him.....it's $$ and his wishes for his future. All NE can do about that is throw $$ at him and hope it's enough.

He has 3 SB rings, it's not like he can prove anything else here.

[|(evin|(olb|(ritik]

I don't see any reason why he'd want to leave to be honest. Players, like everybody else, don't want to move. He's been there his entire career I'm sure he'd like to finish it there. If the money is right I'm sure he'll stay. The grass isn't going to be any greener in San Francisco, well the grass might be but the football isn't going to be better. :)

[Thedeprivedwriter]

I don't see any reason why he'd want to leave to be honest. Players, like everybody else, don't want to move. He's been there his entire career I'm sure he'd like to finish it there. If the money is right I'm sure he'll stay. The grass isn't going to be any greener in San Francisco, well the grass might be but the football isn't going to be better. :)

I dunno...

If (and that's a big, IF) Tom Brady went to SF in some sort of deal, they immediately shoot up as the division favorites, where in NE they play in a tough division. I mean it's the NFC West for crying out loud, an 9-7 record can take the division title...

But you're right I don't see him going to SF, that'd be fairly un-characteristic of him to think about himself first before the team even if he's been burned before as TexInTampa said.

[Dreamers]

Maybe the Cowboys make that trade but not NE. They may give you a 3rd for CJ if your lucky. They only make bargain moves not faith. It is not likely they sell there future for a unproven WR. That screams Hershal Walker trade part 2. Say great talent all you want but until he put up Moss #s NE will not offer you half that. Even then I'm not sure they give up more then a 1st. For Matt Light I think they would still want CJ and a pick lol.

[Sway29]

I don't see Brady going anywhere.

I also don't see how haynesworth would not be worth getting if we could. I know we would never pay the price you would need to, but haynesworth would help this team out so much. Sure his attitude can suck... But so can moss's

[|(evin|(olb|(ritik]

I don't see Brady going anywhere.

I also don't see how haynesworth would not be worth getting if we could. I know we would never pay the price you would need to, but haynesworth would help this team out so much. Sure his attitude can suck... But so can moss's

You don't see how he wouldn't be worth getting? You run a 3-4, I think its pretty self explanatory.

Haynesworth has exactly ZERO desire to play in a 3-4 scheme. Its the reason he wants out of Washington so bad. So you'd be making a trade for a player who doesn't want to play in your scheme who already has a HUGE contract. What incentive does he have to play hard for your team or even just to be a good influence on the team?

...the answer is none. Haynesworth is a contract player who has already been paid. He's not really worth it for anybody IMO.

[Thedeprivedwriter]

You don't see how he wouldn't be worth getting? You run a 3-4, I think its pretty self explanatory.

Haynesworth has exactly ZERO desire to play in a 3-4 scheme. Its the reason he wants out of Washington so bad. So you'd be making a trade for a player who doesn't want to play in your scheme who already has a HUGE contract. What incentive does he have to play hard for your team or even just to be a good influence on the team?

...the answer is none. Haynesworth is a contract player who has already been paid. He's not really worth it for anybody IMO.

Well I think the only places would be teams that don't run a 3-4. I see Detroit as a team that would be a good fit because of all the talent on the defensive line already. Albert wouldn't have to be the main contributing factor or the every down player that everyone wants him to be for the money he wants to be paid. In fact that's the reason why no team really wants him. If he didn't want so much money I could see more teams showing interest but that's just not the case.

[TexecutedInTampa]

I don't see Brady going anywhere.

I also don't see how haynesworth would not be worth getting if we could. I know we would never pay the price you would need to, but haynesworth would help this team out so much. Sure his attitude can suck... But so can moss's

Moss attitude? He only shows that to the media, I seriously don't see Moss as a problem in NE.

[TexecutedInTampa]

From your post to God's ear:)

Brady is a player who needs to go end-to-end with the team that drafted him. I just hope that team gets that, when all the CBA and $$ sweating is over and done with.