Cardinals offense struggles against 'Niners UPDATE: Warner in trouble?

[Chris Raiden]

Kurt Warner was sacked three times and picked twice yesterday while throwing 44 passes.

They only ran the ball 15 times between Hightower (ineffective) and Wells (averaged over 4 per carry).

There's a serious issue here with balance. They need it in the worst way.

[Chris Raiden]

New question, is Kurt Warner's job in jeopardy if they continue to play this way?

[l.a. no-teamers]

bye week is in week 4. Cards fans apparently feel that if things continue poorly, the switch would happen then

[Chris Raiden]

Wouldn't shock me, new offensive coordinator, not getting it done, eventually you've got to cut your losses with Warner and see what you have in live action with Leinart.

[l.a. no-teamers]

The most interesting thing about this is that Leinart's contract ends the same time as Warner's, so it's very conceivable that the Cards would want to get a good look at where Leinart is at in his development to determine if indeed he is the future.

In the event Warner plays through his 2 years and Leinart never gets significant PT, the Cards will be faced with Warner's retirement and trying to figure out if Leinart is worth keeping. They could let him walk and he ends up being a star, they could keep him and he ends up being a dud. It's very hard to say without ever seeing him get on the field and take meaningful snaps. I'm sure they are fully aware of this scenario and would try to get him in there at some point just to see, especially if the team seems like they aren't going anywhere

[Dreamers]

Wouldn't shock me, new offensive coordinator, not getting it done, eventually you've got to cut your losses with Warner and see what you have in live action with Leinart.

Leinart had a great preseason I was surprised he did not take the job from day one. Money or not if your 1st round draft choice shows good going into his what 3rd 4th year you start him.

[Chris Raiden]

Leinart had a great preseason I was surprised he did not take the job from day one. Money or not if your 1st round draft choice shows good going into his what 3rd 4th year you start him.

Even if your previous/current starter got you all the way to, I don't know, THE SUPER BOWL, last season?

[StevenSD]

Even if your previous/current starter got you all the way to, I don't know, THE SUPER BOWL, last season?

since when did dreamers get such a man crush on USC QBs?

[Texecutioner]

After watching some of Warner in pre season I had a bad feeling about the guy. I wasn't sold that he could repeat what he did last season, for the simple fact that he was a journey man for several years and wasn't effective at all. I'm not surprised by these struggles. If he continues to struggle for two more games, I say put Leinart in and see what he can do.

[Dreamers]

Even if your previous/current starter got you all the way to, I don't know, THE SUPER BOWL, last season?

Mark Ripken, O'Donnell, and Orton where all resent QBs that became expendable after a SB season. I know there have been more I just can't remember them. If you ad in close seasons Carter, Doug Brown, Garcia, Collins, and Brees are all part of a long list that their teams felt it was best to move on for one reason or anther. Warner is old. Your not going to win a SB and you spent a big draft pick on Lienard who looked better going into the season. I love loyalty but there is a time to pass down the torch and let the young guy have his chance. OK Leinard was not all that impressive when he did start but he has had time to settle in and as stated earlier looked better in preseason then your over the hill starter. I am in no way a Lienard fan but the kid has earned the starting job here. If it was a historic franchise player OK I'd get it but Warner is not that to the Cards and is not that good of a QB anymore. Last year was great I love a good comeback player but Warner is well past his prime and should have retired on top.

[Chris Raiden]

Mark Ripken, O'Donnell, and Orton where all resent QBs that became expendable after a SB season.

Mark Rypien's recent? That had to be almost 20 years ago.

Even still, your comparison falls apart, and you could have included Trent Dilfer in that group too. Not great quarterbacks, game managers, not guys who put up big numbers and were a giant part of their success, but guys who didn't go out there and lose the game.

Kurt Warner's not in that class of quarterbacks. He may not be upper echelon now at this stage in his career, but he's still pretty good, and he's a big part of a top flight offense from last season that got them to the Super Bowl.

[Texecutioner]

Mark Rypien's recent? That had to be almost 20 years ago.

Even still, your comparison falls apart, and you could have included Trent Dilfer in that group too. Not great quarterbacks, game managers, not guys who put up big numbers and were a giant part of their success, but guys who didn't go out there and lose the game.

Kurt Warner's not in that class of quarterbacks. He may not be upper echelon now at this stage in his career, but he's still pretty good, and he's a big part of a top flight offense from last season that got them to the Super Bowl.

Kurt Warner could easily have simply turned back into a pumpkin this year Raiden. You can't just look at last season without considering the last 4 or 5 seasons all together. Warner was playing some pretty bad football before last year, and then all of a sudden had some lights out year again. You also have to remember how easily the guy gets injured, all of the time.

[Chris Raiden]

Kurt Warner could easily have simply turned back into a pumpkin this year Raiden. You can't just look at last season without considering the last 4 or 5 seasons all together. Warner was playing some pretty bad football before last year, and then all of a sudden had some lights out year again. You also have to remember how easily the guy gets injured, all of the time.

And that's all fine and dandy, but you still have a guy who's now one single game that matters removed from starting a Super Bowl, at least give him a couple weeks before jumping on the bandwagon to replace him, especially with a new offensive coordinator coming in.

[l.a. no-teamers]

Mark Ripken, O'Donnell, and Orton where all resent QBs that became expendable after a SB season.

I dont think any of those guys got new contracts though. They can't sign a guy to a big contract, then after a few bad preseason games, decide to bench him. Even if they felt it was the best for the team, I imagine they would try to save face and ride him a bit before pulling the trigger

[Dreamers]

I dont think any of those guys got new contracts though. They can't sign a guy to a big contract, then after a few bad preseason games, decide to bench him. Even if they felt it was the best for the team, I imagine they would try to save face and ride him a bit before pulling the trigger

Ripken was still under contract when they sent him to the NFL Euro or was it one of those other short lived NFL minor leagues. He looked so bad after that game they couldn't give him away. Orton played behind Rex for two years after leading the Bears to one of their best year. O'Donnell was the only one that was out of contract and they didn't even try to keep him. I think they even traded his rights that year. Keeping a guy on the field because he is making 13 mil is stupid in so many ways and a different argument. Look at SL, but they have no one at least. The Cards may have a good QB sitting right there which would make them even dumber then SL who did bench Bulger at one point last year. They just didn't look that much better without him. OK Warner is making 13 mil but Leinard has to be making at least 5. Either way it is a lot of money waring the bench. They made a mistake admit it and move on and save the season. Warner showed nothing in preseason and bombed big in week 1. Any other team would at least sit him for one game and give him time to think it out. Maybe I'd give him one more game but after Leinards preseason I'd be more willing to give him the ball and gamble on the young guy.

[Dreamers]

Mark Rypien's recent? That had to be almost 20 years ago.

Even still, your comparison falls apart, and you could have included Trent Dilfer in that group too. Not great quarterbacks, game managers, not guys who put up big numbers and were a giant part of their success, but guys who didn't go out there and lose the game.

Kurt Warner's not in that class of quarterbacks. He may not be upper echelon now at this stage in his career, but he's still pretty good, and he's a big part of a top flight offense from last season that got them to the Super Bowl.

Im not that old am I? 20 years that cant be right!

[Chris Raiden]

Im not that old am I? 20 years that cant be right!

Mark Rypien was the winning quarterback for the Redskins in 1991, is that the guy you're talking about, because I've checked all possible reference sources, and there is no such player as Mark Ripken in NFL history.

He was cut loose in 1994 when Norv Turner took over and spent that season as Vinny Testaverde's backup in Cleveland.

[Dreamers]

Mark Rypien was the winning quarterback for the Redskins in 1991, is that the guy you're talking about, because I've checked all possible reference sources, and there is no such player as Mark Ripken in NFL history.

He was cut loose in 1994 when Norv Turner took over and spent that season as Vinny Testaverde's backup in Cleveland.

Yeah that is the guy. I only remember he was horrid that next year and they pulled him then I thought they sent him to one of those small farm leagues for 2 years before he went to Cleveland. Dont think he came back after game 2 but stats say he did play more games that year. OK I remit him. WOW at least it was not 20 years ago yet. Don't rush time I'm turning 29 next month and already feeling 30 lurking. The big 30 over the hill, start filling in the grave the fun is over, the old guy in the club well you get the point. :cry3: I hate aging.

[Chris Raiden]

It clearly doesn't agree with your memory in this case ;)

At any rate, the other guys still aren't valid comparisons. How many of them played at an All Pro level the season before?