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Wolverine

09-09-2009, 06:32 PM

The Canadian Press: Bengals wide receiver Ochocinco says he has tweet surprise for NFL (http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hjcpbEGLzlk9ZYdgMZ6MGkv1bUWA)

He's changing his name to Ochotweeto

Just watch.

Texecutioner

09-09-2009, 06:47 PM

BigBenCan7

09-09-2009, 07:58 PM

Didn't he disable his Twitter account?

wootah

09-10-2009, 03:25 AM

Why won't this idiot stop doing everything he can for attention?? I thought he was supposed to be focused again this season on helping to make his team a contender again. This guy is always so consumed with getting people to know his nickname, and his end zone dances, and the comments he makes. When he is ever going to be 100% focused on football. Everything Skip Bayless said about him was 100% dead on. The guy just needs to STFU and worry about helping to make his team a contender.

There's this video on nfl.com showing exactly that, with Palmer confirming that Chad's in the best shape ever. ( Video (http://www.nfl.com/videos/cincinnati-bengals/09000d5d81279fbc/The-new-Ocho). ) Everybody has a different style in order to focus, some meditate and become very quiet, others brag and jump around. Chad is the second type; craves for attention and constantly wants to fool around, but as long as it's harmless and he's not complaining or asking to be traded, I'm ok with that. It's just his nature, I guess, you can compare it to a (Usain Bolt)².

Texecutioner

09-10-2009, 10:48 AM

There's this video on nfl.com showing exactly that, with Palmer confirming that Chad's in the best shape ever. ( Video (http://www.nfl.com/videos/cincinnati-bengals/09000d5d81279fbc/The-new-Ocho). ) Everybody has a different style in order to focus, some meditate and become very quiet, others brag and jump around. Chad is the second type; craves for attention and constantly wants to fool around, but as long as it's harmless and he's not complaining or asking to be traded, I'm ok with that. It's just his nature, I guess, you can compare it to a (Usain Bolt)².

And his style that you're referring to has never been a successful style for him. His talent has and that's why he's had success, but this style you're talking about is what's been his downfall his entire life. Most people aren't aware of this, but CJ has had problems with coaches his entire life practically. I saw a special on the guy a few years back and he was having all of these same issues going all the way back to HS.

To say that his antics are harmless, is crazy. That's what people said for years about him, until he started wearing HOF jackets after TD's, talking about what dance he would do all week long before games where he wouldn't score any TD's, and trying to do anything he can to find attention. His crave for attention has been a distraction to himself for years in the NFL.

I'll tell you a guy that's probably done just as many end zone dances as CJ has, but you never hear about this guy near as much, his team mates aren't having to constantly be asked what he might do, or what his mind state is either and that guy is Steve Smith. Steve Smith has been doing those silly dances for years as well. The only difference is that Smith isn't running around trying to get on every media show to talk about it or brag on himself, he isn't tweeting about it all week long, his Panthers team mates aren't always being asked questions about his antics to where it becomes a distraction, and it doesn't go near as far because Smith isn't an attention ***** like CJ is.

Hell, the guy just had a whopping 540 yards last season because his attitude was so bad, so don't tell me that his attitude and craves for attention has never hurt his play or distracted him from success, because it has a lot.

Now as for this year, I do think that CJ will bounce back and have a pretty big year. I do think that he realized that he wasted a full season with his stupid antics of trying to get traded and how obvious it was that he didn't care that much, and he's became an after thought in many circles, so I think he's wanting to get himself back out there again. But once he does, and once he starts getting talked about again, you better believe he'll cause more problems down the line again. That's him. He's been that way long before he ever made it to the NFL when he had problems in HS and in college.

Badeye

09-10-2009, 10:57 AM

While I don't have a lot of use for Chad's antics, Tex, you can't blame last seasons stats on him. Nobody will ever compare Fitzgerald to Palmer. And Chad was in fact injured for most of the year, but still showed up each Sunday.

The fact is when he's in this particular, curious, odd 'state of mind' he usually ends up playing in the Pro Bowl. I don't get it either, the antics, but thats been his history. Like you (or somebody else on this topic) I saw that bio pic of him, and the fact is this 'crap' is what motivates him, gets him pumped up to play at the high level we've become accustom to.

I wish he didn't need this stuff to get up for games. I find it embarrassing, just as I did the horrific 'Icky Shuffle' insanity, or the absurd 'Who Dey' chant.

But if thats what Chad needs to be a 1,400 yard, ten TD reception receiver in the NFL, so be it. I'll live with it. Cause this team isn't going anywhere without 85 having a big year.

Texecutioner

09-10-2009, 11:29 AM

While I don't have a lot of use for Chad's antics, Tex, you can't blame last seasons stats on him. Nobody will ever compare Fitzgerald to Palmer. And Chad was in fact injured for most of the year, but still showed up each Sunday.

What do you mean I can't blame it on him? That's ridiculous. The guy wasn't playing with heart at all last season. Hell, he completely dogged it in camp before the season and has admitted himself that "he wasn't into it." And don't give me this QB crap, because time and time again, we've seen great WR's still dominate with awful QB's. Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Roddy WHite and many others have. It is harder I'll admit, but don't try throwing Fitzgerald out there as an excuse for him putting up 540 yards. Yes, injuries may have hampered him a bit, but you could just watch some of the games and see how much he was dogging it. Fitzgerald didn't exactly stop HOush from having a bad season either. Housh still busted his ass and played as hard as he could. CJ did not, because mentally he was not into it.

The fact is when he's in this particular, curious, odd 'state of mind' he usually ends up playing in the Pro Bowl. I don't get it either, the antics, but thats been his history. Like you (or somebody else on this topic) I saw that bio pic of him, and the fact is this 'crap' is what motivates him, gets him pumped up to play at the high level we've become accustom to.

And while you think it makes him successful, it also distracts his focus and makes him worse off at times as well. It's double edged sword for him and everyone else on his team that has to put up with it. At some point you'd think the guy would just grow up and focus on winning and that's it. That's what mature players do eventually. They grow out of that kind of thing. I don't think he ever will, and that's why he'll always be a problem to some degree. He needs attention. He needs people to talk about him, or he isn't mentally right. He needs promotion of himself and if he can't get the ball enough and there aren't enough positive things being said about him, his reactions to that in the long term usually aren't going to be positive when he's constantly seeking the attention that he does.

I wish he didn't need this stuff to get up for games. I find it embarrassing, just as I did the horrific 'Icky Shuffle' insanity, or the absurd 'Who Dey' chant.

But if thats what Chad needs to be a 1,400 yard, ten TD reception receiver in the NFL, so be it. I'll live with it. Cause this team isn't going anywhere without 85 having a big year.

Why would that be what he "needs" to be or to have to be successful. You're now making excuses for his antics and poor choices just because the guy wants extra attention and doesn't want to be like everyone else. That's where you're really wrong. It's been proven time and time again, that when players act like that it usually hurts their focus and only annoys their team mates after while and causes distractions that they don't need. If he would just focus on football, and winning games and making his team successful, the attention will be there. THe positive feed back about him will be there. But with the constant "Look at me" antics and the "watch what I'm going to do next" antics get tired and old for everyone after while. Just focus on running your routes and catching passes at crucial times in games so you and your team can celebrate together after a win.

Badeye

09-10-2009, 12:53 PM

Texecutioner

09-10-2009, 01:14 PM

(roaring with laughter) Tex, it means a helluva lot more to you than I my friend.

Rant on....(cracking up)

Meanwhile, I'm just hoping he has a 'normal Chad' season. As I said, if he doesn't, the team is going nowhere fast - again.

I think that he will have a good season this year. Hell, I drafted him in both of my fantasy leagues this year, so despite what I've said about him here I've invested a lot in him fantasy wise this season so that should tell you a lot right there. He needs the attention and I'm pretty sure that he realizes that he'll only get negative attention if he has another season like last. He knows that Palmer is finally healthy and that the team has improved personal wise.

He looked good in pre season from what I saw. He seems to be a lot more focused this year and realizes that he made huge mistakes last season. I'd just like to see him play some football instead of worrying about the tweets, the end zone dances, and the one liners that he spends his time trying to come with.

Cincy14

09-10-2009, 04:14 PM

I'd just like to see him play some football instead of worrying about the tweets, the end zone dances, and the one liners that he spends his time trying to come with.

I think most of us would too but if being a showboat makes him happy he can have at it. However, he needs to make sure that he gets the job done before he kisses the baby...:)

Wolverine

09-10-2009, 05:21 PM

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Whit Prowdy

09-10-2009, 07:16 PM

The fact is when he's in this particular, curious, odd 'state of mind' he usually ends up playing in the Pro Bowl. I don't get it either, the antics, but thats been his history.

It's because he's having fun. When he's having fun he performs better. It's how it works for everyone, regardless of what you're doing.

wootah

09-11-2009, 04:53 AM

And his style that you're referring to has never been a successful style for him. His talent has and that's why he's had success, but this style you're talking about is what's been his downfall his entire life.

I fail to see the downfall. Yes, last year was bad, but like I said in my original post "as long as it's harmless and he's not complaining or asking to be traded, I'm ok with that". Last year it wasn't harmless, he appeared on nfl network every week demanding for a trade and the results were obvious. That and losing Palmer, of course :) He did pretty good the 6 years before that.

To say that his antics are harmless, is crazy. That's what people said for years about him, until he started wearing HOF jackets after TD's, talking about what dance he would do all week long before games where he wouldn't score any TD's, and trying to do anything he can to find attention. His crave for attention has been a distraction to himself for years in the NFL.

I do not see how those things aren't harmless. Childish and immature, OK, but I truly don't see the harm in that. I also don't agree that he is a distraction for himself; he seems to do better than fine when the lights shine the brightest and he clearly uses it as a form of motivation. However, and here is where I agree with you, I can understand that this can bother some of his teammates & coaches. That's also the difference in the Usain Bolt analogy; Bolt practices an individual sport, he has no responsability to anyone else.

Some people don't like this, and they get irritated. I think it's a matter of personal preference. Some people like the strong silent types, some people like the extravert showboaters. Bottomline is I think Chad's a good guy. He maybe the experiencing the worst case of Peter Pan syndrome since Michael Jackson, and he may be the biggest attention ***** not named Tequila, but I truly think he just wants to have a good time.

That's why I must say that I'm surprised you refer to Steve Smith as an example of a WR that isn't a distraction for his teammates. The dude broke a teammates nose with a suckerpunch last year. I cannot imagine Chad doing any thing similar to that.

Texecutioner

09-11-2009, 01:00 PM

That's why I must say that I'm surprised you refer to Steve Smith as an example of a WR that isn't a distraction for his teammates. The dude broke a teammates nose with a suckerpunch last year. I cannot imagine Chad doing any thing similar to that.

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Smith busting a team mate's nose had nothing to do with him wanting attention and being trying to be a distraction. Smith is some what of a hot head, and he lost his temper with a team mate of his in an argument. What he did was wrong and he knows that. He was reprimanded for it like he should have been, missed a few games, and then came back and had arguably the best season out of any WR in the NFL. Smith isn't a constant distraction to his team. He's actually been the most consistent guy on that offense for this entire decade and the most dependable guy on that team as far as the offense goes. Smith is just a high level competitor and let his anger at the time get the best of him.

And I don't see how you can't imagine Chad doing something like that, when he had a shoving match with his own coach at half time.

wootah

09-11-2009, 02:23 PM

And I don't see how you can't imagine Chad doing something like that, when he had a shoving match with his own coach at half time.

I did not know this. I tried to look it up and it seems he once shoved a journalist (and it seemed to be blown out of proportion) but I didn't find anything about a coach. Either way I'm surprised. I do not claim to know the guy, he just comes across as a good dude, unlike Brandon Marshal. Again, this is just my gut feeling, I can just as well be wrong.

I don't think Chad wants to be a distraction, but he sure wants attention. I don't see the problem with that, he's just that type of guy. If the distraction comes from wearing a HoF jacket and often doing silly stuff or if it comes once, but from suckerpunching one another, I know which one to choose. That's where you and I disagree, I guess.

Texecutioner

09-11-2009, 02:29 PM

I did not know this. I tried to look it up and it seems he once shoved a journalist (and it seemed to be blown out of proportion) but I didn't find anything about a coach. Either way I'm surprised. I do not claim to know the guy, he just comes across as a good dude, unlike Brandon Marshal. Again, this is just my gut feeling, I can just as well be wrong.

It was at half time two years ago when CJ felt like he wasn't getting the ball enough. It was between him and Marvin Lewis.

I don't think Chad wants to be a distraction, but he sure wants attention. I don't see the problem with that, he's just that type of guy. If the distraction comes from wearing a HoF jacket and often doing silly stuff or if it comes once, but from suckerpunching one another, I know which one to choose. That's where you and I disagree, I guess.

But the way that he goes about getting attention is a distraction. Him putting on that stupid HOF jacket was a distraction. His team mates constantly having to be asked questions about the stuff that Cj says and does on a regular basis is a distraction. Their players are always having to be asked about whether or not they care if their team is going to be penalized for his end zone dances, or whether or not they think it helps their team when CJ is making these predictions about how he's going to tear up these other CB's on other teams, and etc. If the guy would just tone it down, and worry about football and his team, instead "of himself" he'd be a much better team mate and football player. It was just before last season where he was having to go through litigation just to get his "Ocho Cinco" name on the back of his jersey and this was right before the season started. The guy worries about so much other bull**** than elevating his game to higher levels.

BigBenCan7

09-11-2009, 02:31 PM

It was at half time two years ago when CJ felt like he wasn't getting the ball enough. It was between him and Marvin Lewis. [/B]

I heard it was between him and an assistant coach, but it doesn't make it any better. It was at halftime of their only playoff game in the last 17+ years, and they were winning at the time. That was the start of the end for Chad as a "team" guy, IMO.

Texecutioner

09-11-2009, 02:38 PM

I heard it was between him and an assistant coach, but it doesn't make it any better. It was at halftime of their only playoff game in the last 17+ years, and they were winning at the time. That was the start of the end for Chad as a "team" guy, IMO.

It was in the playoffs? I thought it was in the season after that.

And yes you're right about the "team guy," thing. He only cares about himself and the attention he gets. When I think of Chad I think of that scene on White Men Can't Jump where Woody Harrelson tells Wesley Snipes "You'd rather look good and lose, then look bad and win."

BigBenCan7

09-11-2009, 02:40 PM

It was in the playoffs? I thought it was in the season after that.

And yes you're right about the "team guy," thing. He only cares about himself and the attention he gets. When I think of Chad I think of that scene on White Men Can't Jump where Woody Harrelson tells Wesley Snipes "You'd rather look good and lose, then look bad and win."

Nope, it was in the Steelers playoff game. Granted, he had probably just found out his QB was Jon Kitna for the rest of the game, and that would **** anyone off, but still.

Texecutioner

09-11-2009, 02:47 PM

Nope, it was in the Steelers playoff game. Granted, he had probably just found out his QB was Jon Kitna for the rest of the game, and that would **** anyone off, but still.

I think that makes it worse. I wasn't anyone's fault that Palmer was knocked out of the game. Getting into a huge dispute with your coaching staff at halftime is enough to cause a huge distraction and melt down with the team.

BigBenCan7

09-11-2009, 02:57 PM

I think that makes it worse. I wasn't anyone's fault that Palmer was knocked out of the game. Getting into a huge dispute with your coaching staff at halftime is enough to cause a huge distraction and melt down with the team.

That was more of a joke, I don't think it was over the QB situation, I heard it was over the amount of passes he was getting his way. Either way though, your last sentence sums it up, and the Bengals did end up imploding after halftime.

Cincy14

09-11-2009, 04:25 PM

Nope, it was in the Steelers playoff game. Granted, he had probably just found out his QB was Jon Kitna for the rest of the game, and that would **** anyone off, but still.

That is what happened, the story was that he lost his head when Palmer got hurt. It was a major distraction and was totally uncalled for. The stuff last year about wanting to be traded and not fulfilling his contract was also a distraction.

Those big things have tarnished his image. I could care less about some of his name change and stuff he does on Twitter. Those would not be my style but if it is fun for him then I don't care. I just want to see him perform and stay away from the stupid stuff that I mentioned above.

Cincy14

09-11-2009, 04:30 PM

Interview with Ocho for your viewing pleasure!!

NFL Videos: 8 minutes with Ocho (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-player-interviews/09000d5d81281dbc/8-minutes-with-Ocho)

Texecutioner

09-11-2009, 04:30 PM

That is what happened, the story was that he lost his head when Palmer got hurt. It was a major distraction and was totally uncalled for. The stuff last year about wanting to be traded and not fulfilling his contract was also a distraction.

Those big things have tarnished his image. I could care less about some of his name change and stuff he does on Twitter. Those would not be my style but if it is fun for him then I don't care. I just want to see him perform and stay away from the stupid stuff that I mentioned above.

So because his QB went down and he wasn't lighting up the stat sheets, he chooses to have an epic melt down and fight with the coaches? That's a real smart way of handling himself in a challenging situation against a division rival in the first playoff game in 17 years. Yeah, I'm sure that really pumped the team's moral up and got them ready for a great 2nd half. :rolleyes:

The Texans may not be a great team or anything, but I do thank the lord every day for not having to suffer with top WR's like TO, CJ, and Marshall, and that we have such a wonderful elite WR in AJ that doesn't act like he's 14.

Cincy14

09-11-2009, 09:15 PM

So because his QB went down and he wasn't lighting up the stat sheets, he chooses to have an epic melt down and fight with the coaches? That's a real smart way of handling himself in a challenging situation against a division rival in the first playoff game in 17 years. Yeah, I'm sure that really pumped the team's moral up and got them ready for a great 2nd half. :rolleyes:

That was my read on it. Kind of anti-leadership huh.... I hope there are no repeats of this and we see the type of player that he can be...