$90 pizza

[Whit Prowdy]

The new Dallas Cowboys Stadium will offer $90 pizzas - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-new-Dallas-Cowboys-Stadium-will-offer-90-pi?urn=nfl,180810) :wow:

And that's for a plain. $66 for a 12 pack of beer. Oh the humanity.

[Tronix]

thats just nuts, if they are allowed to charge that, anyone stupid enough to pay it needs to be punched in the face..Wow 8 slices of pizza, at about $11.25 per slice? wtf?

People need to put stupid billionaires in their place. I understand they forgot what normality is a long time ago, but damn, surely they can't possible be so far gone and delusional to think their pizza is worth that? :huh:

I am losing every drop of faith, I used to have in this country, and things like this, show, just how stupid, we have become. :nono:

[TexecutedInTampa]

The new Dallas Cowboys Stadium will offer $90 pizzas - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-new-Dallas-Cowboys-Stadium-will-offer-90-pi?urn=nfl,180810) :wow:

And that's for a plain. $66 for a 12 pack of beer. Oh the humanity.

It's a BILLION $ stadium....someone must pay!:)

Come on, you know Jerry's too smart to sign that tab.

[Dreamers]

Has JJ become the next PT Barnum or what?

[TexecutedInTampa]

Has JJ become the next PT Barnum or what?

Yup...and he'll rake it in!

[|(evin|(olb|(ritik]

Its this simple......

These new stadiums that we're seeing right now were all built at the wrong time. By now you all know about the financial crisis in this country and what caused it. Buying boatloads of land 4-5 years ago at top dollar to build the new Yankee, Cowboy, or Giants/Jets stadium on was a baaaaaaaad financial decision that won't truly show its repricussions for a few years. The owners have no choice but to charge these insane prices for things, and when the over inflated economy was good the math lined up. Now that the economy is in the tank and likely will be for the forseeable future the losses these guys are going to experience on these property investments aren't going to be any less severe than the losses that the average Joe has seen on his own properties or that any other company has seen on commercial investments.

[Tronix]

All thats fine and dandy, Phil, they still shouldn't make up for their stupidity on the backs of the fans, who are struggling much more than any Billionaire is. You're right about the why, but that doesn't justify it to me, how about don't build a billion dollar stadium? And if you must, contractually then make up the cost in ticket prices, and season ticket packages, not your food and concessions, or better yet, how about charging the luxury box people, aka, corporations, and other millionaire/billionaires, to make up for it, they can afford it, us Joe's can't.
I'm glad I'm not a Cowboy fan, although it still makes me sick, because this is a microcosm to the state of the league.

[AlexanderNevermind]

The problem is there is going to be a crapload of people who are going to drop $90 for the pizza. But the $66 12 pack is almost justified, that breaks down to $5.50 per brew. I hope thats a saving compared to the regular price, anyone know the regular price? I have paid as high as $7.50/$8.00 for a cold one at a sporting event.

[Tronix]

The problem is there is going to be a crapload of people who are going to drop $90 for the pizza. But the $66 12 pack is almost justified, that breaks down to $5.50 per brew. I hope thats a saving compared to the regular price, anyone know the regular price? I have paid as high as $7.50/$8.00 for a cold one at a sporting event.

lots have said that, but mind you, most $8 beers are a much larger than a standard 12oz beer, so to compare it to a 12 pack you pick up at a store, to what you get at the stadium isn't fair, the beer prices, I have no gripe about, but $11.25 for a slice of crappy pizza, is ridiculous.

[r5d3]

All thats fine and dandy, Phil, they still shouldn't make up for their stupidity on the backs of the fans, who are struggling much more than any Billionaire is. You're right about the why, but that doesn't justify it to me, how about don't build a billion dollar stadium? And if you must, contractually then make up the cost in ticket prices, and season ticket packages, not your food and concessions, or better yet, how about charging the luxury box people, aka, corporations, and other millionaire/billionaires, to make up for it, they can afford it, us Joe's can't.
I'm glad I'm not a Cowboy fan, although it still makes me sick, because this is a microcosm to the state of the league.


Did you read the article, dude? That's exactly where these prices are coming from,


Those enjoying a Cowboys game from a luxury suite at the new stadium will have to shell out $90 for pizza and $66 for a 12-pack of domestic beer,

These aren't their concession stand prices, these are box prices.

[Tronix]

Did you read the article, dude? That's exactly where these prices are coming from,



These aren't their concession stand prices, these are box prices.

touche' sir, still don't make it right, but it does say thats who they are targeting, I notice it doesn't say what a pizza and beer cost at regular concession prices.

[Hawkeye]

Settle down people......that is how much food costs in the LUXURY suites. If people can afford a luxury suite for the game, they can afford the food prices.

[Tronix]

If, I was wealthy enough to afford a box seat, that doesn't make me all of a sudden retarded. Seems like a form of price gouging if you ask me.
If I won the lottery tomorrow, I certainly would not be okay, spending a $90 on a pizza, that cost me $22, 48 hours ago.

And they are specifying the luxury suites prices, but you know regular concessions are going to go up as well.

If you can't afford to build the stadium, without breaking it off in the people that is going to fill it, then don't build the stadium.

[r5d3]

touche' sir, still don't make it right, but it does say thats who they are targeting, I notice it doesn't say what a pizza and beer cost at regular concession prices.


I know that, but I just wanted to point that out, that they are talking about the boxes, not regular concessions.

I'm sure those prices will be high enough though.

[BigBenCan7]

Settle down people......that is how much food costs in the LUXURY suites. If people can afford a luxury suite for the game, they can afford the food prices.

So because they have more money than others they should pay more for a pizza or a beer as well?

That makes zero sense.

[r5d3]

So because they have more money than others they should pay more for a pizza or a beer as well?

That makes zero sense.


Well, they also pay for the service of having it brought to them and having it fresh. Plus, most of the time the food served in the boxes is a higher quality than the food mass produced for the concession stands, so we're not comparing apples to apples anyway.

[Tronix]

I get a pizza that is about 2" thick, and about the size of a Papa jon's extra large, with home made sauce, dough and fresh cheese, for $13
it tastes better than any chain pizza joints. If they only charge that, without the benefit of chain store's buying power, how much can it really cost for the mass produced crap they are going to serve at the stadium? no matter how you spin it, $11.25 is way too much for a slice of pizza.

So by that reasoning, if someone who's rich, buys their kid a Honda Civic as a first car, they should pay $40k for it, because they can afford to do so?

[BigBenCan7]

Well, they also pay for the service of having it brought to them and having it fresh. Plus, most of the time the food served in the boxes is a higher quality than the food mass produced for the concession stands, so we're not comparing apples to apples anyway.

Right, I'm not worried that they charge more for better food/service in the luxury boxes, I was responding to Hawkeye's justification, which was that if they can afford a luxury box they can pay more for their food as well.

[r5d3]

Hey, I'm not defending $90 pizza, just making the point.

You first have to remember that there's always an upcharge when you go to an event, so that $13 pizza automatically becomes around a $27 (say around $3.50 a slice for 8 slices) at the concessions stands. Do another upcharge for the luxury suites, and the same pizza probably goes for about $6 a slice, so $48. Add to the fact that it's Dallas and the freakin' Cowboys in a billion dollar stadium, and $90 sounds about right.


Completely outrageous, but still about right.

[Tronix]

Hey, I'm not defending $90 pizza, just making the point.

You first have to remember that there's always an upcharge when you go to an event, so that $13 pizza automatically becomes around a $27 (say around $3.50 a slice for 8 slices) at the concessions stands. Do another upcharge for the luxury suites, and the same pizza probably goes for about $6 a slice, so $48. Add to the fact that it's Dallas and the freakin' Cowboys in a billion dollar stadium, and $90 sounds about right.



Completely outrageous, but still about right.

I doubt, I'll ever step foot in the new stadium, but if I do, I'll bring my own pizza. :D

lol

[Texecutioner]

If, I was wealthy enough to afford a box seat, that doesn't make me all of a sudden retarded. Seems like a form of price gouging if you ask me.
If I won the lottery tomorrow, I certainly would not be okay, spending a $90 on a pizza, that cost me $22, 48 hours ago.

And they are specifying the luxury suites prices, but you know regular concessions are going to go up as well.

If you can't afford to build the stadium, without breaking it off in the people that is going to fill it, then don't build the stadium.

Totally. It's hilarious how people try justifying practices like this all because it's going to be charged to wealthy people. It's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

[Hawkeye]

If, I was wealthy enough to afford a box seat, that doesn't make me all of a sudden retarded. Seems like a form of price gouging if you ask me.

If I won the lottery tomorrow, I certainly would not be okay, spending a $90 on a pizza, that cost me $22, 48 hours ago.

And they are specifying the luxury suites prices, but you know regular concessions are going to go up as well.

If you can't afford to build the stadium, without breaking it off in the people that is going to fill it, then don't build the stadium.

Of course regular concessions will probably go up......we're in a bad economy. I'm sure it's the same with college football stadiums. I know Hawkeye tix have gone up and I bet concessions have too.......but I never get food at a game anymore. :D




So because they have more money than others they should pay more for a pizza or a beer as well?

That makes zero sense.



Right, I'm not worried that they charge more for better food/service in the luxury boxes, I was responding to Hawkeye's justification, which was that if they can afford a luxury box they can pay more for their food as well.

No, I was merely stating two facts: 1) Those are luxury suite prices and 2) They can afford it. I never said they SHOULD charge that much because those people can afford it. While we’re at it, how many luxury boxes have you been in? Do we know how far above other stadium luxury boxes this is? I’m not going to worry about it because like ruuudiii said, this is not the food and drink served to the average Joes in the stadium. It’s also the LUXURY of not having to stand in line for 15-20 minutes to get it either.




Totally. It's hilarious how people try justifying practices like this all because it's going to be charged to wealthy people. It's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

There’s no justifying here…..just stating facts. Like I said above, there is a lot of convenience that you’re paying for.

[BigBenCan7]

No, I was merely stating two facts: 1) Those are luxury suite prices and 2) They can afford it. I never said they SHOULD charge that much because those people can afford it. While we’re at it, how many luxury boxes have you been in? Do we know how far above other stadium luxury boxes this is? I’m not going to worry about it because like ruuudiii said, this is not the food and drink served to the average Joes in the stadium. It’s also the LUXURY of not having to stand in line for 15-20 minutes to get it either.




There’s no justifying here…..just stating facts. Like I said above, there is a lot of convenience that you’re paying for.

You were definitely justifying it, you even wrote "Calm down people," which almost always precedes a justification. Sorry, the fact that they can afford it does not justify charging them $90 a pizza.

And I've been in the Jaguars and Lions luxury boxes, I don't really see what relevance that holds.

[Tronix]

Do we know how far above other stadium luxury boxes this is? I’m not going to worry about it because like ruuudiii said, this is not the food and drink served to the average Joes in the stadium. It’s also the LUXURY of not having to stand in line for 15-20 minutes to get it either.


I've been in a luxury box, and we got wings from a third party vendor (Beef o'Brady's, outstanding wings ftr.)

and bottled beer. the food didn't seem that far and away better to me, to be honest.

the not having to wait in line was awesome, but then again it still isn't worth that much to me.

(by the way having our own private bathroom was the best part. :D )

[Hawkeye]

You were definitely justifying it, you even wrote "Calm down people," which almost always precedes a justification. Sorry, the fact that they can afford it does not justify charging them $90 a pizza.

And I've been in the Jaguars and Lions luxury boxes, I don't really see what relevance that holds.

Yeah, I said settle down because people were getting upset when they thought the average Joe was getting charged that when that wasn't the case at all. To reiterate, I said they CAN afford it, never said they SHOULD charge that much for that reason.

You should be able to see the relevance from the sentence directly after that. Does it seem out of line from what you were charged in Detroit and Jax and if so, by how much?

[BigBenCan7]

Yeah, I said settle down because people were getting upset when they thought the average Joe was getting charged that when that wasn't the case at all. To reiterate, I said they CAN afford it, never said they SHOULD charge that much for that reason.

You should be able to see the relevance from the sentence directly after that. Does it seem out of line from what you were charged in Detroit and Jax and if so, by how much?

I've never bought an entire pizza at a football game, but I know the Jaguars offer $30 buffets that are actually cooked by chefs in their luxury seats. I found that to be pricey, and I didn't have any food at Ford Field, I was only in the box for halftime. I don't really like watching games from there, it's not the same atmosphere.

But yes, considering you could buy 3 buffets for the price of one pizza, I'd say it's out of line from the Jags game.

[Texecutioner]

Yeah, I said settle down because people were getting upset when they thought the average Joe was getting charged that when that wasn't the case at all. To reiterate, I said they CAN afford it, never said they SHOULD charge that much for that reason.

You should be able to see the relevance from the sentence directly after that. Does it seem out of line from what you were charged in Detroit and Jax and if so, by how much?

This is nothing but price gouging at it's worst. Why can't you just state that, instead of dancing around the subject like it's not that big of a deal because other teams have similar prices in their luxury boxes, or because it's going to rich people's wallets, or because it's supposed to be more pricey in luxury suites? It's a terrible precedent and anyone that would buy that is really stupid, but I honestly doubt that a lot of pizzas will be sold there this season.

[Tronix]

This is nothing but price gouging at it's worst. Why can't you just state that, instead of dancing around the subject like it's not that big of a deal because other teams have similar prices in their luxury boxes, or because it's going to rich people's wallets, or because it's supposed to be more pricey in luxury suites? It's a terrible precedent and anyone that would buy that is really stupid, but I honestly doubt that a lot of pizzas will be sold there this season.

If Pizza, is $90, how much is steak?

How much more is anything they sell than it should be. I'm for them upping the cost of things to cover the stadium, but make it reasonable, if a whole pizza is $40 in the old stadium, there's no reason it shouldn't be upped to $45 or $50 in the new one, but $90?

(for the record I'd never pay $40 for a pizza, of any kind, in any stadium, let alone, $90, in fact, I think I'd laugh, if they told me thats what it costs.)

[Hawkeye]

This is nothing but price gouging at it's worst. Why can't you just state that, instead of dancing around the subject like it's not that big of a deal because other teams have similar prices in their luxury boxes, or because it's going to rich people's wallets, or because it's supposed to be more pricey in luxury suites? It's a terrible precedent and anyone that would buy that is really stupid, but I honestly doubt that a lot of pizzas will be sold there this season.

Of course it's price gouging, but if it's not far off from the league average at luxury suites, it isn't any more of a big deal than it is anywhere else. I haven't danced around anything, so I don't know what you're talking about. Like ruuudiii said, you do pay more for service and supposedly a better quality of food. At the end of the day, I could care less. Most of these suites are being leased by corporations......the same corporations that have been bailed out by US. The same corporations that that GOUGE us by charging outrageous interest and excessive late fees. The same corporations that pay multi-million dollar salaries to CEOs who run the company into the ground. That's not justification, but will I feel bad for rich people that get gouged? No.

[BigBenCan7]

Of course it's price gouging, but if it's not far off from the league average at luxury suites, it isn't any more of a big deal than it is anywhere else. I haven't danced around anything, so I don't know what you're talking about. Like ruuudiii said, you do pay more for service and supposedly a better quality of food. At the end of the day, I could care less. Most of these suites are being leased by corporations......the same corporations that have been bailed out by US. The same corporations that that GOUGE us by charging outrageous interest and excessive late fees. The same corporations that pay multi-million dollar salaries to CEOs who run the company into the ground. That's not justification, but will I feel bad for rich people that get gouged? No.

I bolded everything that was justification in your post.

EDIT: It's actually a lot better if you read it without the bold text.

[Hawkeye]

Update: In the post below, we link to a story from the Lincoln Journal World's Web site that contained a number of inaccuracies.

According to the Cowboys, the 20-inch pizzas at the new stadium will cost $60, not $90 as reported. (That's the same price they were in the suites at Texas Stadium.) There will be five different types of pizza available for that price. Beer will be sold for $5.

The suites themselves will range from $100,000 to $500,000 per year. That lease will include tickets to Cowboys games, but not third-party events.

That's what happens when you quote a blog.


I bolded everything that was justification in your post.

EDIT: It's actually a lot better if you read it without the bold text.

No it isn't justification because I'm not saying it's ok. I never said it was ok, so get off it. I'm not saying it's ok to do it if everyone else in the league is doing it either. I'm saying it isn't a bigger deal than anywhere else in the league and that I really don't care if they do it. I'm not losing any sleep over it.

[Tronix]

while $60 a pizza, is still excessive to me, it's alot closer to reality than $90..lol

and I wont lose any sleep over it either. :)

I can't wait until the regular season gets going so we aren't stuck talking about pizza. :lol2:

[|(evin|(olb|(ritik]

All thats fine and dandy, Phil, they still shouldn't make up for their stupidity on the backs of the fans, who are struggling much more than any Billionaire is. You're right about the why, but that doesn't justify it to me, how about don't build a billion dollar stadium? And if you must, contractually then make up the cost in ticket prices, and season ticket packages, not your food and concessions, or better yet, how about charging the luxury box people, aka, corporations, and other millionaire/billionaires, to make up for it, they can afford it, us Joe's can't.
I'm glad I'm not a Cowboy fan, although it still makes me sick, because this is a microcosm to the state of the league.

How very unamerican of you. Not that I have a problem with anti-capitalist ideals but what you're saying here goes against the very basis of capitalism which is the sole functioning purpose of this country.

Its not wrong of the owners to do this to their fans, its just business. Do you really expect Jerry Jones or whoever it is that operates that stadium to sit there and willingly accept tremendous losses on this project without first trying to see what people will pay? Even if you consider the prices ridiculous you don't have to buy, nobody does. Thats the great thing about freedom of choice. He can choose to be egotistical and charge $90 for his pizza and you can choose not to pay for it. There is no golden rulebook of business that outlines the boundaries of morality. People can charge whatever they want to for their services and it doesn't make them greedy or predatory or unfair.

Don't pay for it. If enough people do that then the price will go down and ownership will be forced to accept higher losses. You can't blame a guy for trying though, if you were in his position I guarantee your moral high ground would not be so important to you.

[Tronix]

I can't argue what your saying, Phil. but I'm not where he's at, and from my position, waaaay down the totem from Jerry, it doesn't seem right. I wont say the Cowboys don't have a right to charge that much for pizza, but it just seems like they could make their costs up in other ways, they are pricing the league way out of average fans ability to pay, and that bothers me more than anything, I have gone to relatively few NFL games in my life because of it, and I've been a diehard NFL fan since I was 10, it's getting worse and worse, so much so, my kids may never get to an NFL game with me, and thats a shame. I can still take me, my wife and two kids to a Ray's game, for no more than $100 for all four of us, with drinks and food, I couldn't get 2 tickets to a Bucs game for that, and the Bucs aren't the highest priced team in the league. It's just sad, I understand where your coming from though.

[|(evin|(olb|(ritik]

they are pricing the league way out of average fans ability to pay, and that bothers me more than anything, I have gone to relatively few NFL games in my life because of it, and I've been a diehard NFL fan since I was 10, it's getting worse and worse, so much so, my kids may never get to an NFL game with me, and thats a shame. I can still take me, my wife and two kids to a Ray's game, for no more than $100 for all four of us, with drinks and food, I couldn't get 2 tickets to a Bucs game for that, and the Bucs aren't the highest priced team in the league. It's just sad, I understand where your coming from though.

Now thats an issue that presents a real problem, unfortunately some problems are impossible to fix, this is one of them.

This problem revolves around the fact that full contact football is simply an inefficient business to run as a spectator sport, much moreso than baseball or basketball. The problem lies within the nature of the game itself. Baseball and basketball have the advantage of long seasons, 82 and 160 games respectively. This means that ownerships get anywhere from 80 to 42 home games per year to make enough money to pay for their stadium leases as well as pull in a profit. In football where you only get 8 home games a year and leasing is super expensive due to the costs involved with building a stadium and the difficulty in scheduling events to fill that stadium during the offseason, it presents a very tough environment for these teams/businesses to make money while simultaneously offering a competitively priced product.

Its just a much worse business model inherently than baseball or basketball and unless they find a way to dramatically increase the number of games these teams play per year its never going to change.




CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME!!!!!!!!!

Maybe thats the underlying reason why this league is changing its rules on a yearly basis and seemingly moving closer and closer to a non contact flag football leage.

[Whit Prowdy]

Its not wrong of the owners to do this to their fans, its just business. Do you really expect Jerry Jones or whoever it is that operates that stadium to sit there and willingly accept tremendous losses on this project without first trying to see what people will pay? Even if you consider the prices ridiculous you don't have to buy, nobody does. Thats the great thing about freedom of choice. He can choose to be egotistical and charge $90 for his pizza and you can choose not to pay for it. There is no golden rulebook of business that outlines the boundaries of morality. People can charge whatever they want to for their services and it doesn't make them greedy or predatory or unfair.

The idea here should be to increase revenue. And I learned in my microeconomics class that people's willingness to pay is linear, and based on a concept called elasticity. In short, the more elastic something is, the less likely people will buy it if the price goes up (luxury items, unnecessary items). The less elastic it is, the more likely people will continue to buy it if the price goes up (medicine).

Here, pizza seems ultra elastic to me, so at a price of $90, judging by what people here are saying, people won't be buying. But if you lower the price enough to a point where people will begin buying it, but still above the cost of making the pizza (dough, sauce, cheese, so you can turn a profit), then you start making money.

Let's use numbers.

Let's say, for a season, at $90 a pizza, 100 people buy pizzas. Each pizza costs $10 to make. The profit is $8,000.

Now, let's say the price is lowered to a relatively more reasonable $30. Now, since pizza is elastic, and the price went down, there are way more buyers...1,000 people buy pizzas. Each one still costs $10 to make. The profit is $20,000.

This is just an example, but it shows that raising prices to astronomical levels won't directly compensate for the costs of Jerryworld.

By the way, isn't the stadium still unnamed? There's a corporation out there who will throw out millions to put their name on it...just hasn't been found yet.

[Hawkeye]

The idea here should be to increase revenue. And I learned in my microeconomics class that people's willingness to pay is linear, and based on a concept called elasticity. In short, the more elastic something is, the less likely people will buy it if the price goes up (luxury items, unnecessary items). The less elastic it is, the more likely people will continue to buy it if the price goes up (medicine).

Here, pizza seems ultra elastic to me, so at a price of $90, judging by what people here are saying, people won't be buying. But if you lower the price enough to a point where people will begin buying it, but still above the cost of making the pizza (dough, sauce, cheese, so you can turn a profit), then you start making money.

Let's use numbers.

Let's say, for a season, at $90 a pizza, 100 people buy pizzas. Each pizza costs $10 to make. The profit is $8,000.

Now, let's say the price is lowered to a relatively more reasonable $30. Now, since pizza is elastic, and the price went down, there are way more buyers...1,000 people buy pizzas. Each one still costs $10 to make. The profit is $20,000.

This is just an example, but it shows that raising prices to astronomical levels won't directly compensate for the costs of Jerryworld.

By the way, isn't the stadium still unnamed? There's a corporation out there who will throw out millions to put their name on it...just hasn't been found yet.

Whit.....it's $60, the same price it was at Texas Stadium.....as the original numbers were grossly stated. Even so, your economics theories are just that....theories. They do work on the general population with finite disposable income, but not the super rich. People or corporations that pay six figures for a luxury box aren't constrained by the rules of economics like the rest of us. These are the same people that pay six figures for a car just because they can. Besides, guys like NFL owners didn't make their money by being stupid. If they charge a price, they have good reason to believe people will pay it and in this case, history.

[BigBenCan7]

Whit.....it's $60, the same price it was at Texas Stadium.....as the original numbers were grossly stated.

If they were so grossly stated, why were you telling us that it is the league's norm to charge $90 for a pizza?

[Hawkeye]

Initially I said, that's what they charge in luxury suites (meaning much higher prices). I never said it was the league norm to charge $90 for a pizza. I said...IF it's in line with the rest of the league......meaning that I don't know and neither does anyone else. A few people are up in arms like this is a big issue, when in reality it might not be at all IF it is in line with the rest of the league. Notice I said IF in subsequent posts. If you inferred something else from my initial post, you should have asked for clarification rather than just assuming. That's not my problem.

[Computer_Head]

Wh-wh-what??? I spent a fortune on this luxury box. You think I can afford pizza???