Leinart's ship is sinking.

[Texecutioner]

Funny, how we were just talking about this the other day. Phil, he's easily had just as bad as a career thus far as Young, and now he might even be worse off if he becomes the 3rd string guy in Arizona. Not really much you can say about Matty boy anymore. :shrugging:


Leinart sinking? - Around the NFL - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/around_the_nfl/post/Leinart-sinking-?urn=nfl,180260)

[Dreamers]

I just posted this in anther thread. Funny he could loose his backup role to a 29year old that has barely picked up a ball in 3 years.

[OSU8085]

Funny, but not really surprising...the cards should have dealt him while he still had some stock, I mean its clear they don't want him or need him....as for him, he clearly is not mature enough to learn from a veteran and continue to give his best effort

[TexecutedInTampa]

Funny, but not really surprising...the cards should have dealt him while he still had some stock, I mean its clear they don't want him or need him....as for him, he clearly is not mature enough to learn from a veteran and continue to give his best effort

They don't need him as long as Warner is healthy....what if that changes?

[Hawkeye]

I don't consider a blog to be the most credible source. Whether St Pierre is getting a serious shot or not, competition is always good for everyone. It lets the staff know how committed Leinart is (since he should beat out BSP if he applies himself). I don't think he is sunk just yet.

[|(evin|(olb|(ritik]

Tex, the next time you call me out in a thread, bring some credible evidence. I expect more from you than a link from a yahoo sports blog about what MIGHT happen.

When something DOES happen, then i'll care. Obviously not good if St Pierre beats him out for the #2 job, but at this point thats just a bunch of conjecture and you trying to paint a picture that hasn't happened yet.

[Texecutioner]

Tex, the next time you call me out in a thread, bring some credible evidence. I expect more from you than a link from a yahoo sports blog about what MIGHT happen.

When something DOES happen, then i'll care. Obviously not good if St Pierre beats him out for the #2 job, but at this point thats just a bunch of conjecture and you trying to paint a picture that hasn't happened yet.

Well, I wasn't exactly trying to call you out. I was just going back to our conversation from before. We're not allowed to post paragraphs or statements from articles anymore. :(

I just thought it was funny, because we had just been discussing it in the thread the other day. He is still on par with VY as of now though. It hasn't been looking good for him at this point. He should be able to win this battle pretty easily over this St. Pierre guy and he had better or the media is going to be labeling the hell out of the guy soon. We'll see what he does. ;)

[l.a. no-teamers]

Yeah, this is a non story. Camp has barely started, what could St Pierre or Leinart have possibly done in two days that would lead you to believe their roles have changed from last season. Leinart hasn't lost anything, and St Pierre hasn't won anything. Neither have had time to do anything. Saying Leinart's ship is sinking when absolutely nothing has happened is just fishing for a story

[|(evin|(olb|(ritik]

Oh don't be fooled, if he loses the #2 job to St Pierre or gets cut by the franchise i'll be one of the first to absolutely trash the dude for whatever shortcoming I feel caused his failure. He's got no excuse to fail, he's been given a pretty damned good situation and if he does fail im going to have alot to talk about. So often we see people criticize teams for "ruining" QB's by throwing them into the fire early on bad teams. If Leinart fails here in Arizona with a situation thats almost ideal for his sucess then its going to be a big punch in the gut to anybody trying to make the argument that a team can ruin a QB by forcing him to play in a bad environment.

[OSU8085]

They don't need him as long as Warner is healthy....what if that changes?

ya but its clear leinart doesn't fit what wisenhunt is trying to do, why not cut leinart while he still had some stock and get someone in there that does fit it (leftwich? many options...)

[BigBenCan7]

Brian St. Pierre has never won a position battle, this is a non-story. Matt will still be the #2 for the Cardinals.

[|(evin|(olb|(ritik]

ya but its clear leinart doesn't fit what wisenhunt is trying to do, why not cut leinart while he still had some stock and get someone in there that does fit it (leftwich? many options...)

I would agree with the 2nd part of your statement if the 1st part were true. There is no evidence that Leinart doesn't fit what Whisenhunt is trying to do. To the contrary, Leinart is a QB built in the prototype of Kurt Warner himself. Its hard to argue that Leinart doesn't fit the scheme when he's the same type of QB Warner is.

[l.a. no-teamers]

I've started going back and reading up on stuff about Leinart throughout the offseason, and what's really stupid about this article (the 'ship is sinking') is that everything about him has been rave reviews from teammates and coaches.

The story is that St Pierre was a FA, and as a cavaet for re-signing, he wanted a fair crack at #2, something he could have had if he left the organization. Whisenhunt agreed to this so he would re-sign. It had less to do with Leinart, and more to do with trying to retain a solid #3 QB.

Anyhow just an update.

St. Pierre got to play #2 yesterday and went 5-12 passing with a pick. That's after going 4-10 with a pick in the first game as the #3. He's 9-22 with 2 INTs thus far this preseason. I think unless Leinart epically falls on his face sometime in the next two games, he's got the #2 spot sealed

[|(evin|(olb|(ritik]

St. Pierre got to play #2 yesterday and went 5-12 passing with a pick. That's after going 4-10 with a pick in the first game as the #3. He's 9-22 with 2 INTs thus far this preseason. I think unless Leinart epically falls on his face sometime in the next two games, he's got the #2 spot sealed

To expand on this, St Pierre only officially threw 1 pick but by all rights the guy should have had a minimum of 3 and arguably 4. There were atleast 2 terribly thrown balls of his that dropped right into the oppositions arms that the Chargers defenders were unable to catch. St. Pierre looked absolutely atrocious and any possible competition he was posing to Leinart should now be officially over.

Leinart on the other hand continued to look sharp. His 1 drive of the game came after the Cardinals defense stuffed San Diego on the goalline on 4th and 1 giving Leinart the ball on the 1 yard line with 99 yards to go. He drove his team all the way down the field utilizing Arizonas 3rd and 4th string players but the drive stalled in the redzone when those 3rd and 4th stringers suddenly became unable to catch the ball. On that drive he again made a couple of really nice throws that remind you that this kid has some serious pro potential.

All the announcers kept talking about the entire time that Leinart was on the field yesterday was how the Cardinals QB coach has been raving about Leinart and his improvement all through training camp and preseason. I don't know where this opinion keeps coming from that Leinart is doing so terribly in Arizona because i've never once seen anybody show me any evidence where the coaches are disapointed with the guy.

[l.a. no-teamers]

If Matt didn't lock it up the last game, he did it tonight

He lead the Cards to 4 TDs in two quarters. Threw 3 TDs and almost 350 yards passing.

[Sascha]

Looks like the ship sank, but the lifeboat is serving him really well. He had a great game against Packers. Not sure if he will translate that play to first string competition, but he's certainly won the back-up job.

[Chris Raiden]

If Matt didn't lock it up the last game, he did it tonight

He lead the Cards to 4 TDs in two quarters. Threw 3 TDs and almost 350 yards passing.

I'm starting to think if Warner gets hurt at any point this season, he's not getting his job back or the second year of his contract...

Anyone disagree?

[Sascha]

I'm starting to think if Warner gets hurt at any point this season, he's not getting his job back or the second year of his contract...

Anyone disagree?


I would assume that would be based on how Leinart then plays in the REGULAR season. We've seen pre-season warriors before, let him actually do it when it counts.

But they certainly need him to, because Warner doesn't have another contract in him.

[l.a. no-teamers]

I would assume that would be based on how Leinart then plays in the REGULAR season. We've seen pre-season warriors before, let him actually do it when it counts.

But they certainly need him to, because Warner doesn't have another contract in him.

I think that's what RD is getting at. If Leinart gets a chance in the regular season, there is a very good chance he will do really well (obviously we don't know for sure until it happens). Preseason or not, backups or not, when was the last time we've seen a guy throw for 350 yards with 3 scores in one half. That's very impressive. He's had two very good games prior to this game as well this preseason. And word was he had a very impressive camp and was very good last year in practice as well. It sounds like he's ready to get an opportunity to start, all he's missing now is that opportunity.

[Chris Raiden]

I think that's what RD is getting at. If Leinart gets a chance in the regular season, there is a very good chance he will do really well (obviously we don't know for sure until it happens). Preseason or not, backups or not, when was the last time we've seen a guy throw for 350 yards with 3 scores in one half. That's very impressive. He's had two very good games prior to this game as well this preseason. And word was he had a very impressive camp and was very good last year in practice as well. It sounds like he's ready to get an opportunity to start, all he's missing now is that opportunity.

Absolutely. There's also the fact that from watching him play this preseason, it's not just the fact that he's piling up stats against backups, it's how he's doing it. He's throwing NFL caliber routes, hitting receivers in stride, and showing a strong arm while understanding where the ball needs to go.

In short, he's playing like a starting quarterback. And a pretty good one.

[Dreamers]

Well looks like his sinking ship has been saved and is gaining ground on Warner now. He has had a great preseason and Warner not so much. I really think he could be one bad game away from taking back the starting roll now.