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football?

05-07-2009, 10:33 AM

“It’s kind of funny because week in and week out, that’s all we see is highlights of somebody getting blown up by a defensive player. In my case it’s shunned or doesn’t look good or makes me a dirty player. I don’t do anything different than what they do to offensive players.”

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Ravenatic20

05-07-2009, 10:35 AM

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I'm sure he'll get over it.

Texecutioner

05-07-2009, 11:15 AM

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I'm sure he'll get over it.

Or maybe he'll take Bart Scott out again, so you can whine about it. Oh I forgot that Scott is no longer a Raven anymore, so maybe this time he'll go after Suggs since he is still there trying to put out some bounty on Ward but can't seem to be successful doing it. :rolleyes:

Parrish

05-07-2009, 11:57 AM

Or maybe he'll take Bart Scott out again, so you can whine about it. Oh I forgot that Scott is no longer a Raven anymore, so maybe this time he'll go after Suggs since he is still there trying to put out some bounty on Ward but can't seem to be successful doing it. :rolleyes:Sorry, but if Ward tried to do that to Suggs, he'd just bounce off.

How come Ward didn't complain when they put the Roy Williams rule in?

Texecutioner

05-07-2009, 12:20 PM

Sorry, but if Ward tried to do that to Suggs, he'd just bounce off.

How come Ward didn't complain when they put the Roy Williams rule in?

He'd bounce off? Lol! Why because it's Suggs? Please, he sent Bart Scott into another dimension and did the same to Rivers who are both around the size of Suggs. Ward hits like freaking Strong safety and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the hits he throws out and anyone complaining about them is about as hypocritical of a fan of the sport as I've seen. If you've got a problem with Ward's hits on guys then you should have a problem on every other hit from defensive players around the league that smash WR's going up the middle. I've always thought it was great how an offensive player and a WR at that goes out and smashes the stars out of these macho defensive players and gives them a taste of their own medicine.

Let Ward get a shot at Suggs, and he'll have Suggs flying.

Parrish

05-07-2009, 12:29 PM

He'd bounce off? Lol! Why because it's Suggs? Please, he sent Bart Scott into another dimension and did the same to Rivers who are both around the size of Suggs. Ward hits like freaking Strong safety and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the hits he throws out and anyone complaining about them is about as hypocritical of a fan of the sport as I've seen. If you've got a problem with Ward's hits on guys then you should have a problem on every other hit from defensive players around the league that smash WR's going up the middle. I've always thought it was great how an offensive player and a WR at that goes out and smashes the stars out of these macho defensive players and gives them a taste of their own medicine.

Let Ward get a shot at Suggs, and he'll have Suggs flying. Except Suggs has 20 pounds on both of them.

I don't have a problem with Ward or his hits, I'm just wondering why he pipes up when they make a rule against offensive players but when it's defensive players, you don't hear a word from him.

Texecutioner

05-07-2009, 12:34 PM

Except Suggs has 20 pounds on both of them.

I don't have a problem with Ward or his hits, I'm just wondering why he pipes up when they make a rule against offensive players but when it's defensive players, you don't hear a word from him.

That's because this rule was aimed directly at him and because of him. But it's not a fair rule at all, just because Rivers seemed soft and got blasted by him last season. That's part of football and people have been getting blind sided for years, and that hit on Rivers was a good block where Rivers was running over there trying to make a tackle and Ward just knocked him out of the play. Had that hit not taken place, this rule wouldn't even have gone into affect. It's ridiculous.

Parrish

05-07-2009, 12:37 PM

That's because this rule was aimed directly at him and because of him. But it's not a fair rule at all, just because Rivers seemed soft and got blasted by him last season. That's part of football and people have been getting blind sided for years, and that hit on Rivers was a good block where Rivers was running over there trying to make a tackle and Ward just knocked him out of the play. Had that hit not taken place, this rule wouldn't even have gone into affect. It's ridiculous. So was the Roy Williams rule. To my knowledge he did not complain about it. If Ward wants to make hits like that he still can, he just needs to be ready for the 15 yard penalty or whatever yardage it is, after.

Texecutioner

05-07-2009, 12:44 PM

So was the Roy Williams rule. To my knowledge he did not complain about it. If Ward wants to make hits like that he still can, he just needs to be ready for the 15 yard penalty or whatever yardage it is, after.

But there has never been anything illegal about his hits. Why should his team get penalized just because he is doing his job by blocking a defender that is trying to kill his team mate with the ball? Blocking is part of the game or at least it "was" part of the game.

Parrish

05-07-2009, 12:48 PM

But there has never been anything illegal about his hits. Why should his team get penalized just because he is doing his job by blocking a defender that is trying to kill his team mate with the ball? Blocking is part of the game or at least it "was" part of the game. I have to question if you have even read the entire article. They're not eliminating blocking, just how a player does it. He'll just have to use his hands instead of his forearm, helmet or shoulder.

Texecutioner

05-07-2009, 12:58 PM

I have to question if you have even read the entire article. They're not eliminating blocking, just how a player does it. He'll just have to use his hands instead of his forearm, helmet or shoulder.

I know what the new rule is and is about, but it taints the way people can block and the contact of the sport. I was being sarcastic. But this is a petty rule and just waters down the sport more. Blind side hits have gone on in this league since it's inception.

Parrish

05-07-2009, 01:03 PM

I know what the new rule is and is about, but it taints the way people can block and the contact of the sport. I was being sarcastic. But this is a petty rule and just waters down the sport more. Blind side hits have gone on in this league since it's inception.You can still block from the blindside or even from behind, just don't do it with your forearm, helmet or shoulder. All in all, it's trying to prevent serious injuries. You can get the job done with your hands so I don't see why it's such a big deal.

Texecutioner

05-07-2009, 01:19 PM

You can still block from the blindside or even from behind, just don't do it with your forearm, helmet or shoulder. All in all, it's trying to prevent serious injuries. You can get the job done with your hands so I don't see why it's such a big deal.

This is basically flag football rules practically. No forearms? Give me a break.

Hawkeye

05-07-2009, 01:43 PM

Let Ward get a shot at Suggs, and he'll have Suggs flying.

Anybody would get sent flying it they didn’t see a hit coming. We’ve all seen Drew Bledsoe light up a D Lineman before.

I agree with the helmet part too. A defensive player doing that would get flagged for spearing.

A far as the forearm, how often does a defensive player get to hit an offensive player from behind or from the blindside with a forearm? Not too often. So why should it be ok for the offensive guys to do it? If a defensive guy used a forearm shot on a QB, that would result in a PF penalty.

Wolverine

05-07-2009, 01:54 PM

How come Ward didn't complain when they put the Roy Williams rule in?

Maybe because the Roy Williams rule is dangerous and Hines Ward is doing nothing but playing football.

Ravenatic20

05-07-2009, 02:30 PM

Maybe because the Roy Williams rule is dangerous and Hines Ward is doing nothing but playing football.
I'm only going to say this once, but what Wines Hard did was also dangerous. Didn't he put a Bengal on injured reserve? If what he did wasn't dangerous, the NFL wouldn't put a rule against. But they did. They're thinking safety first. :wow:

Texecutioner

05-07-2009, 02:43 PM

I'm only going to say this once, but what Wines Hard did was also dangerous. Didn't he put a Bengal on injured reserve? If what he did wasn't dangerous, the NFL wouldn't put a rule against. But they did. They're thinking safety first. :wow:

You say this only because Ward has been a Raven killer since Woodson was there when Ward used to smash him all over the field. Woodson used to whine about Ward even back then. If this stuff was so dangerous, then why did it take them this long to make these rules?

And hell, do you have any idea how many questionable but legal hits I've seen Suggs and Lewis dish out? I guess you weren't much of a fan when Siragussa was playing on the D line over there during that SB run. I find this very hypocritical coming from a Ravens fan. And I love the Ravens, so I'm not trying to knock any of the players over there, but let's be real here for a second. The Ravens players have *****ed and whined like the biggest little babies when it comes to Ward more than any other team for years, and it's about the most hypocritical thing I've seen or heard from a team that hits players and does all of the stuff that they've been known for for years.

Parrish

05-07-2009, 03:38 PM

Maybe because the Roy Williams rule is dangerous and Hines Ward is doing nothing but playing football.Like Ravenatic said, if it wasn't dangerous, then why did it break a guys jaw and put him on IR? There's ways to do your job in the NFL without hurting people and this is eliminating something that has hurt people.

There are receivers in the NFL that are just as good at blocking as Ward, but they do it without injuring people. Big hits are cool to see and probably even cooler to lay, but at the expense of seriously injuring someone? Injuries are part of the game, but I don't get why people are upset about something that is going to reduce them.

football?

05-07-2009, 07:16 PM

TexecutedInTampa

05-07-2009, 09:07 PM

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He gets shunned? Are you high?

Sure, in New England and maybe the AFC North he's Darth Vader.

The NFL HARDLY shuns Hines Ward......jeez.

StevenSD

05-07-2009, 10:47 PM

he sent Bart Scott into another dimension and did the same to Rivers

it's easy to get blasted when you're caught off guard....

wootah

05-08-2009, 04:15 AM

even soccer players can use there shoulders & their not pin-up boys for their toughness.....

That's a totally different situation; in soccer there can only be SHOULDER TO SHOULDER contact, which you can only do 'when you are able to play the ball'.

I agree with Hawkeye & Stevens that those blindside hits can take out anyone, regardless of toughness or weight. Like our WR Jordy Nelson said; "When you don't see them coming, they make you look like a ragdoll in a heartbeat."

BigBenCan7

05-09-2009, 12:15 PM

If a defensive guy used a forearm shot on a QB, that would result in a PF penalty.

So we should have the same protection for linebackers as we do for quarterbacks? :rolleyes:

Ben Stiller

05-09-2009, 02:22 PM

Except Suggs has 20 pounds on both of them.

I don't have a problem with Ward or his hits, I'm just wondering why he pipes up when they make a rule against offensive players but when it's defensive players, you don't hear a word from him.

Ward has lit up a 300+ pound DT chasing after Ben so I dont think the weight of Suggs will be a problem.

Like Ravenatic said, if it wasn't dangerous, then why did it break a guys jaw and put him on IR? There's ways to do your job in the NFL without hurting people and this is eliminating something that has hurt people.

Players get hurt all the time from regular tackles. Perhaps those should also be eliminated. Wait, guys twist their ankles cutting too hard... maybe there should be a new rule that you can only cut at a certain angle. I dont think QBs should be allowed to through the ball too hard either as I have seen fingers broken from it.

it's easy to get blasted when you're caught off guard....

Scott also jumps on the ground like hes on fire when he sees Ward coming... just saying...

BAKAJ

05-09-2009, 04:30 PM

Its a good rule because there wont be cheap shots like before from blind sides... and players wont be getting injured for no reason!

This wont really effect the play on the field because Wrs can still block using there hands...

Hawkeye

06-01-2009, 12:59 PM

So we should have the same protection for linebackers as we do for quarterbacks? :rolleyes:

Don't know what you're implying, but yes, I think all players should be afforded the same protection from a forearm shot to the head. There are ways to block that don't get people injured.

BigBenCan7

06-01-2009, 01:29 PM

Don't know what you're implying, but yes, I think all players should be afforded the same protection from a forearm shot to the head. There are ways to block that don't get people injured.

I was implying (almost a month ago) that the NFL has a serious problem when everything that would be a personal foul against a QB starts becoming a personal foul when it is committed against a linebacker as well.

Hawkeye

06-02-2009, 10:08 AM

I hadn't read this thread (for almost a month) or I would have replied sooner. I think the NFL has a serious problem NOW if they care more about serious injury on a sliding scale based on the position you play where QBs merit the most concern and D linemen and LBs merit the least. Injury is injury and when your health is on the line, it should be as safe as possible for everyone involved.......not just the glamour positions.

BigBenCan7

06-02-2009, 10:13 AM

StevenSD

06-02-2009, 11:39 AM

So you're in support of the league adding a "Roughing the tackler" penalty, right?

i just love your prospective on this

and its funny only because you're defending this because ward is a steeler

BigBenCan7

06-02-2009, 11:43 AM

you're defending this because ward is a steeler

Oh, the irony.

And I never defended a thing. I just find the reasoning that it would be a PF if it happened to a quarterback ridiculous.

Hawkeye

06-02-2009, 02:08 PM

So you're in support of the league adding a "Roughing the tackler" penalty, right?

Technically it would still be a PF penalty.

Oh, the irony.

And I never defended a thing. I just find the reasoning that it would be a PF if it happened to a quarterback ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous that a forearm shot to the head of a QB is a PF? Hines Ward basically speared Rivers. You see him lower his head as he comes in. Ward wasn't trying to tackle Rivers so he didn't have to square himself up. He could have turned towards the sideline and hit Rivers with the side of his body and still accomplished the same thing. You CAN still blindside a guy w/o injuring him.

If you had a statement to make.....make it, but don't ask these "cute" little questions when I already said that all players on a team are important and you shouldn't get to pick and choose which positions can get jacked up by a hit which ones get protected.

Ravenatic20

06-02-2009, 02:09 PM

i just love your prospective on this

and its funny only because you're defending this because ward is a steeler
Post of the day!

StevenSD

06-02-2009, 06:40 PM

If you had a statement to make.....make it, but don't ask these "cute" little questions

that's his way around making a statement though, if he's proven wrong then he never made the statement to begin with

BigBenCan7

06-02-2009, 09:13 PM

Technically it would still be a PF penalty.

How is it ridiculous that a forearm shot to the head of a QB is a PF? Hines Ward basically speared Rivers. You see him lower his head as he comes in. Ward wasn't trying to tackle Rivers so he didn't have to square himself up. He could have turned towards the sideline and hit Rivers with the side of his body and still accomplished the same thing. You CAN still blindside a guy w/o injuring him.

If you had a statement to make.....make it, but don't ask these "cute" little questions when I already said that all players on a team are important and you shouldn't get to pick and choose which positions can get jacked up by a hit which ones get protected.

You don't see how it's ridiculous to have the same protection for the defenseless player looking down field to make a throw and the guy coming full speed at him to hit him?

Wow.

Hawkeye

06-02-2009, 09:29 PM

You don't see how it's ridiculous to have the same protection for the defenseless player looking down field to make a throw and the guy coming full speed at him to hit him?

Wow.

Don't "wow" me. I thought I was speaking english. I said you CAN blindside a guy w/o injuring him. What I have a problem with is making that same block by a forearm to the head or lowering your head into the unaware pursuer.....which is EXACTLY what Ward did to Rivers.

BigBenCan7

06-02-2009, 09:34 PM

Don't "wow" me. I thought I was speaking english. I said you CAN blindside a guy w/o injuring him. What I have a problem with is making that same block by a forearm to the head or lowering your head into the unaware pursuer.....which is EXACTLY what Ward did to Rivers.

And what I have a problem with is justifying a new penalty being put into place because it would be a penalty if it happened to a quarterback. There are a lot of things that are only penalties when they happen to quarterbacks.

Should we make a new rule that you can't slam runningbacks too hard when you tackle them? I mean, that's an injury risk as well.

Hawkeye

06-02-2009, 10:02 PM

And what I have a problem with is justifying a new penalty being put into place because it would be a penalty if it happened to a quarterback. There are a lot of things that are only penalties when they happen to quarterbacks.

Should we make a new rule that you can't slam runningbacks too hard when you tackle them? I mean, that's an injury risk as well.

Ok, I wasn't JUSTIFYING a new penalty because it would be one on a QB. I was using QBs as an example of how much care we place on their vulnerability and not the vulnerability of other players. The NFL has rules to protect blocker's legs and to protect ANY player from spearing....so why is this any different? Oh wait......don't answer, it's clear that protecting defensive players would make them pansies. I just don't want to hear a peep from you when your favorite defensive player retires from taking even one blindside shot to the head that could have been avoided had the blocker used a shoulder to the body instead.......like it's supposed to be done.

The game has evolved from the days where headslaps and clotheslining were legal moves. There were players that used to discourage headslaps by putting the screws in their helmets in backwards and sharpening them to a point so players would get stabbed if they slapped them. At the end of the day, the more players that can retire with their mental faculties intact....the better.

StevenSD

06-03-2009, 10:13 AM

Ok, I wasn't JUSTIFYING a new penalty because it would be one on a QB. I was using QBs as an example of how much care we place on their vulnerability and not the vulnerability of other players. The NFL has rules to protect blocker's legs and to protect ANY player from spearing....so why is this any different? Oh wait......don't answer, it's clear that protecting defensive players would make them pansies. I just don't want to hear a peep from you when your favorite defensive player retires from taking even one blindside shot to the head that could have been avoided had the blocker used a shoulder to the body instead.......like it's supposed to be done.

The game has evolved from the days where headslaps and clotheslining were legal moves. There were players that used to discourage headslaps by putting the screws in their helmets in backwards and sharpening them to a point so players would get stabbed if they slapped them. At the end of the day, the more players that can retire with their mental faculties intact....the better.

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