WR Core?

[GatorsRock]

Does their WR core scare anyone? They have Ted Ginn Jr, Greg Camarillo, Davone Bess, and Ernest Wilford being the primary WR's. While that is a very young unit it is still so unproven. Are you Dolphins fans satisfied to just watch that unit grow and develop or do you think that they need to do a little more work to the WR core?

[pentekno2]

I think that this unit can grow into something good.

It seems like we so often get tied up with thinking teams only have a good WR corps if they have big names from free agency or the draft, but time has shown that this simply isnt always the case.

They are very young yes, but last year many of them showed that they can be threats, and should only get better and more confident in themselves and Penningtons ability to get them the ball as this team progresses.

[Texecutioner]

I think that this unit can grow into something good.

It seems like we so often get tied up with thinking teams only have a good WR corps if they have big names from free agency or the draft, but time has shown that this simply isnt always the case.

They are very young yes, but last year many of them showed that they can be threats, and should only get better and more confident in themselves and Penningtons ability to get them the ball as this team progresses.

THey need a lot of help if you ask me.

However Ginn started to really come on at the end of the season last year.

[StevenSD]

I think that this unit can grow into something good.

It seems like we so often get tied up with thinking teams only have a good WR corps if they have big names from free agency or the draft, but time has shown that this simply isnt always the case.

They are very young yes, but last year many of them showed that they can be threats, and should only get better and more confident in themselves and Penningtons ability to get them the ball as this team progresses.

I think this group can improve on last years success, but the only thing stuck in my mind right now is how unhappy the coaching staff was with this group last offseason...which leads me to think they might do something in the draft...

[pentekno2]

Im not saying that they couldn't still draft somebody, I do admit, they dont really have a gamebreaker receiver - Ginn is supposed to develope into that. I just think that last year they showed that you can have a decent passing attack with essentially a group that nobody has really heard of.

[TexecutedInTampa]

I think that this unit can grow into something good.

It seems like we so often get tied up with thinking teams only have a good WR corps if they have big names from free agency or the draft, but time has shown that this simply isnt always the case.

They are very young yes, but last year many of them showed that they can be threats, and should only get better and more confident in themselves and Penningtons ability to get them the ball as this team progresses.

As an outsider, I ask how much (or how long) does Chad figure into Miami's plans?

[gamefarm83]

Does the unit scare anyone? Not at all. Can the be good? Yes they can. Can they be better? yes they can.
After Camarillo went down last year we had 3 active WR's for the majority of the games. Bess, Ginn, and London. Wilford was inactive for many of the games last year because apparently he was THAT bad.
We could always use another guy but we have 2 possesion receivers in Bess and Camarillo, a very sure-handed London, and our speed guy is Ginn. If we look at the draft, we need a speedy WR or a wildcat-type WR. I like Pat White if he converts.
The coaching staff is MUCH happier with the group this year than they were last year because each player stepped up during the season and played 100% (with the exception of Wilford). I think the players were greatly motivated and the coaches were persuaded by their playing.

[RaidenDAWG2]

As an outsider, I ask how much (or how long) does Chad figure into Miami's plans?
I've read the intent is to plan on Chad Henne starting in 2010. His big arm could make Ginn more of a factor in the passing game than Pennington can ever hope to make him.

That said, I think they're maybe one piece away here. Ginn and Camarillo can be solid complimentary pieces, one more guy there, they could be something very good.

-RD

[Dreamers]

I've read the intent is to plan on Chad Henne starting in 2010. His big arm could make Ginn more of a factor in the passing game than Pennington can ever hope to make him.

That said, I think they're maybe one piece away here. Ginn and Camarillo can be solid complimentary pieces, one more guy there, they could be something very good.

-RD

Pennington had great #s last year vs good teams. What makes you think they would sit him and go with an unproven QB? That does not sound like something a BP team would even consider doing unless it was a last ditch option.

[RaidenDAWG2]

The base assumption there is that he's ready and able to win the job. Pennington will also be 34 in 2010, and he's only under contract for 2009, so there's no guarantee he'll even be on the team then.

[StevenSD]

Pennington had great #s last year vs good teams. What makes you think they would sit him and go with an unproven QB? That does not sound like something a BP team would even consider doing unless it was a last ditch option.

because pennington is just a filler until they feel their qb is ready, the two year contract he signed last season only confirms that

[datruth55]

Pennington had great #s last year vs good teams. What makes you think they would sit him and go with an unproven QB? That does not sound like something a BP team would even consider doing unless it was a last ditch option.

Pennington has never had two good seasons in a row. Chad Henne is slated to take over in 2010 if not sooner and Chad is signed through this coming season and won't be re-signed. Dolphins will let him walk and probably get a 4th or 5th round compensatory pick as a result, unless he has another good season in which case it could be a 3rd round compensatory pick.

As for the receiving corp, it was solid last year. Near the bottom of the league in dropped balls which allowed Pennington to break career highs in passing yards and it was his 3rd best season in terms of completion percentage. However, it lacks a physical, game breaker. The receivers don't have the ability to take a 5-yard quick out pass, break a tackle and turn it into a 20-yard gain. We have a lot of finesse players but no physical compliment to complete the receiving corp. Wilford was suppose to be that guy but he sucks. Can't get open, drops too many balls and lacks good work ethic. Brandon London is a guy the team is high on but he's till pretty raw. Good size on him though at 6'4" 210.

My guess is the Dolphins will draft a physical WR within their first 3 picks (#25, #44 and #56).

[Dreamers]

Pennington has never had two good seasons in a row. Chad Henne is slated to take over in 2010 if not sooner and Chad is signed through this coming season and won't be re-signed. Dolphins will let him walk and probably get a 4th or 5th round compensatory pick as a result, unless he has another good season in which case it could be a 3rd round compensatory pick.

As for the receiving corp, it was solid last year. Near the bottom of the league in dropped balls which allowed Pennington to break career highs in passing yards and it was his 3rd best season in terms of completion percentage. However, it lacks a physical, game breaker. The receivers don't have the ability to take a 5-yard quick out pass, break a tackle and turn it into a 20-yard gain. We have a lot of finesse players but no physical compliment to complete the receiving corp. Wilford was suppose to be that guy but he sucks. Can't get open, drops too many balls and lacks good work ethic. Brandon London is a guy the team is high on but he's till pretty raw. Good size on him though at 6'4" 210.

My guess is the Dolphins will draft a physical WR within their first 3 picks (#25, #44 and #56).

Pennington was one of the best QBs in the league last year and has been health for 3 years now. Injuries and his salary where his biggest problems in NJ and now none of that is on the board. Yes the guy is bland and rubs you the wrong way but he can play. If they work Henne in this year that would be one thing but to out right start him would be crazy for Miami. Miami just won the division and can repeat with Pennington. Pennington still has a chip on his shoulder add that to it being a contract year for the greedy B and he should have anther great year. I do pitty who ever signs him next year thou.

[datruth55]

Pennington was one of the best QBs in the league last year and has been health for 3 years now. Injuries and his salary where his biggest problems in NJ and now none of that is on the board. Yes the guy is bland and rubs you the wrong way but he can play. If they work Henne in this year that would be one thing but to out right start him would be crazy for Miami. Miami just won the division and can repeat with Pennington. Pennington still has a chip on his shoulder add that to it being a contract year for the greedy B and he should have anther great year. I do pitty who ever signs him next year thou.

I'm just stating facts about his performance. He's not had two good season's in a row in his career.

Sparano has clearly stated that Henne will be the starter in 2010 and that the team will begin getting him ready to become starter this coming season. He will get extended playing time in the preseason and will get worked into some games in the regular season. Pennington is still the starter next year and will remain so unless he becomes ineffective.

Best case scenario for the Dolphins would be for Pennington to have another season like last season and they let him walk cause they would get a higher compensatory pick for him. Much like New England letting Asante Samuel walk.

Sparano, GM Jeff Ireland and Parcells have taken Henne with them when they go workout WRs. Henne is the one throwing to the guys they've been working out. They're getting Henne's input on which WRs he likes and checking out what kind of chemistry the WRs have with Henne. Dolphins are moving quickly to build the team around Henne, not Pennington.

[gamefarm83]

Honestly? I don't like Henne. But he'll probably be the next Romo

[TexecutedInTampa]

[QUOTE=datruth55;596785]I'm just stating facts about his performance. He's not had two good season's in a row in his career.

Sparano has clearly stated that Henne will be the starter in 2010 and that the team will begin getting him ready to become starter this coming season. He will get extended playing time in the preseason and will get worked into some games in the regular season. Pennington is still the starter next year and will remain so unless he becomes ineffective.

Best case scenario for the Dolphins would be for Pennington to have another season like last season and they let him walk cause they would get a higher compensatory pick for him. Much like New England letting Asante Samuel walk.




Chad is over 30, Miami would get a 5th round pick at best for him. Them's the rules.

[Dreamers]

[QUOTE=datruth55;596785]I'm just stating facts about his performance. He's not had two good season's in a row in his career.

Sparano has clearly stated that Henne will be the starter in 2010 and that the team will begin getting him ready to become starter this coming season. He will get extended playing time in the preseason and will get worked into some games in the regular season. Pennington is still the starter next year and will remain so unless he becomes ineffective.

Best case scenario for the Dolphins would be for Pennington to have another season like last season and they let him walk cause they would get a higher compensatory pick for him. Much like New England letting Asante Samuel walk.




Chad is over 30, Miami would get a 5th round pick at best for him. Them's the rules.

I was letting him keep some hope but money paid is the biggest factor and he is by no means a high paid QB anymore. Yes performance comes into play as well but only if he comes threw big in the playoffs does it really effect anything. Miami will be lucky to get a 5th when he walks unless they plan on giving him a massive raise this year.

[datruth55]

I was letting him keep some hope but money paid is the biggest factor and he is by no means a high paid QB anymore. Yes performance comes into play as well but only if he comes threw big in the playoffs does it really effect anything. Miami will be lucky to get a 5th when he walks unless they plan on giving him a massive raise this year.

A 5th round pick is good enough. And it's not what we sign him for but what the next team signs him for. He's playing cheap for us right now and should get a comparable contract and probably more since that's how the NFL contracts go. We'll see how it plays out but truthfully I don't think he finishes the season as starter cause I think he gets hurt sometime during the season.

[CatClaw]

A 5th round pick is good enough. And it's not what we sign him for but what the next team signs him for. He's playing cheap for us right now and should get a comparable contract and probably more since that's how the NFL contracts go. We'll see how it plays out but truthfully I don't think he finishes the season as starter cause I think he gets hurt sometime during the season.It's not over thirty =fifth round pick....it's 10 years in the league=fifth round pick....Steelers got a fifth for Fanaca...Bengals will get better for T.J. because he has not played in the league for ten years, yet he is over 30. Pennington will play his tenth season this year...so the only way the Dolphins would get better than a fifth round pick, would be if Pennington was a free agent this offseason and left. Doesn't add much to the conversation, but wanted to point it out. :)

[Parrish]

A 5th round pick is good enough. And it's not what we sign him for but what the next team signs him for. He's playing cheap for us right now and should get a comparable contract and probably more since that's how the NFL contracts go. We'll see how it plays out but truthfully I don't think he finishes the season as starter cause I think he gets hurt sometime during the season.It also depends on who the Dolphins sign the offseason Pennington leaves.

[TexecutedInTampa]

It's not over thirty =fifth round pick....it's 10 years in the league=fifth round pick....Steelers got a fifth for Fanaca...Bengals will get better for T.J. because he has not played in the league for ten years, yet he is over 30. Pennington will play his tenth season this year...so the only way the Dolphins would get better than a fifth round pick, would be if Pennington was a free agent this offseason and left. Doesn't add much to the conversation, but wanted to point it out. :)

I read that an over 30 UFA was worth a fifth rd pick at best....someone should post the Rules and Regs here.