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jjflr
02-16-2007, 06:27 PM
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“Stop Hiring NFL Head Coaches Directly From The College Ranks”

or “Why the Raiders are Grasping at Straws”

By
JJFLR
February 2007

Once again this off-season, another NFL team has plundered the ranks of college ball, hiring a head coach with absolutely NO NFL experience in the hopes that it will magically lead their team to the promised land. As the voice of reason, I am here to say it must STOP and it must STOP immediately. Recent history shows us that it simply doesn’t work.



http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5886298_36_2.jpghttp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2002/01/04/spurrier_resigns_ap/t1_spurrier_all-01.jpghttp://www.ukathletics.com/image_lib/fb_brooks_chat.jpg http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/35/354355.jpg

Since 1995, NFL teams have brought in 4 coaches directly from the college coaching ranks that did not have ANY previous NFL experience…………Mike Riley, Steve Spurrier, Rich Brooks, and Dennis Erickson. These coaches had a combined 13 seasons of NFL coaching and not a single winning record to show for it. 208 regular season games, only 79 victories, and zero playoff appearances. Teams need to understand that it is not 1989 and the Johnson/Switzer success the Cowboys enjoyed prior to modern-day free agency had more to do with talent than coaching.

Butch Davis, Nick Saban, Tom Coughlin, Steve Mariucci, and Al Groh are considered recent ‘college’ coaches but they all had at least ‘some’ previous assistant experience in the NFL and therefore are in another category………..We will call them ”College coaches with very limited NFL experience”.

Not surprisingly, these ”College coaches with very limited NFL experience” had ‘more’ success than the college coaches with NO NFL experience but they still haven’t done anything substantial. Out of the 27 seasons these ‘other’ college coaches have completed thus far as Head Coaches in pro-ball, they posted 11 winning seasons. This is not horrible and the longevity that Coughlin and Mariucci have both enjoyed in the league, with multiple playoff appearances, reinforces the importance of having at least some exposure to the NFL prior to becoming a head coach. These ‘other’ college coaches, however, have not posted any Super Bowl appearances and only one of them still has a head coaching position in the NFL and his status is teetering as we head into next season.

The fact of the matter is that the teams that are hiring experienced NFL minds are having greater success. Almost all of the NFL coaches in recent years that have had success were assistant coaches in the league for some period of time immediately prior to moving up to a head coaching position.

The NFL game is a COMPLETELY different animal from the college game. Dennis Green, who has coached both the college and pro games says, “For those who have not worked on the NFL level, the tempo, the length of the season, the weekly ups and downs can catch them by surprise. I do think a guy coming into the pro game without any experience as a pro assistant has a more difficult time." Bill Polian, Colts president, adds, "It is a completely different game."

The level of competition in the NFL cannot be re-produced ANYWHERE in Division 1 football. Al Groh tried the NFL experience for one season as a head coach and states, “In the NFL, all 32 teams are essentially equal talent-wise, and that is not the case in college. In the NFL, all the teams have the same salary cap, similar stadiums, facilities, circumstances. In college, you can be considerably better than your opponent if you coach at certain schools, and in the end, it's about competition, satisfaction, feeling you're having an impact on young men. In some ways, that's more attainable in college.''

The college coach is a recruiter. He is a father to young men. An NFL coach is attempting to motivate an entire locker-room full of other grown men in addition to dealing with media pressures all while trying to out-wit the coach on the other sideline every Sunday. Tim Fox, former Patriots defensive back puts it like this, "So much more preparation goes into the coaching in the NFL. The game is much more complex. In college, you don't have all day every day to prepare for the game. You get a practice and a meeting. Compare that to the NFL, where you show up at 9 a.m. on Monday for film, on Tuesday for game planning, on Wednesday and Thursday for practice and more meetings."

Recently, the ‘stress’ factor of the NFL has also come into play with some of the coaches in the ”College coaches with very limited NFL experience” category leaving the pro game due to the stress level. Coaching in the college ranks is a fun experience for everyone involved. The NFL is a profession. It’s business. And it’s VERY difficult for a head coach, who absorbs the brunt of the pressures. Barry Switzer, after leaving the NFL, said, quite bluntly, 'In the NFL, everybody is meaner. Fans, media, everybody. It's a mean place.'

Jimmy Johnson, considered the most successful convert from college to the NFL ranks, says, "NFL coaching has become a harsh business. In college, they can get mad at you, but there's still a rah-rah atmosphere, and a lot of that good-old-school loyalty. In the NFL, it's either win, or we're gonna cut your throat."

The ‘stress’ factor of the NFL is magnified due to the fact that these migrating coaches appear to be forgetting about the adjustment that the ‘change’ forces onto the rest of their family. Lou Holtz, a short-timer in the NFL back in the 70’s, states, “``Raising a family around a college is ideal. Your wife and kids can go to baseball games, basketball games, plays, concerts, it's really nice for them. Moving to a big city is an adjustment.''

Johnson back’s up Holtz’s opinion, “"In college, you can have a personal life, a family life. In the NFL, you can forget that for about 10 months a year, maybe all 12. If you are doing the job the right way, a personal life basically doesn't exist. There's a huge difference in how much work you have to put in, and also in the numbers of headaches."

How does all of this affect the 2 new ‘college’ hires, you ask? Looking at the recent ‘college’ hires and how all of this affects the Raiders and Falcons is this:

http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Coach/PHOTO/KIFFIN,-LANE150.JPG

Don’t expect anything incredible in Oakland. Davis didn’t have a lot of choices. No one wants to coach there. Look for Kiffin to struggle for a couple of years in the NFL and then take his dog-and-pony show back to the college ranks in a head coaching position. He will remain there for the rest of his career.

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/college/allsport/confusa/louisville/petrino_bob2.jpg

In Atlanta, Petrino may have ‘some’ success. He has 3 years of NFL assistant experience with the Jaguars, but I wouldn’t look for him to be making any miracles happen. The best you could hope for if you are a Petrino fan is that he become a long-timer like Coughlin, and will at least turn in some winning seasons from time-to-time wherever he is coaching in the league.

ThomasTomasz
02-16-2007, 07:33 PM
Throw it up for jjflr for his first article on our new writing team.

Excellent job man. I loved the fact that you threw some quotes around, and really, agree with that point of view. The NFL is also a copycat league to a degree, with the Raiders (and some other teams) hiring young coaches and trying to emulate the Jets with Mangini, in the same way that many teams switched to the 3-4 after the Pats started dominating.

jjflr
02-16-2007, 07:55 PM
Throw it up for jjflr for his first article on our new writing team.

Excellent job man. I loved the fact that you threw some quotes around, and really, agree with that point of view. The NFL is also a copycat league to a degree, with the Raiders (and some other teams) hiring young coaches and trying to emulate the Jets with Mangini, in the same way that many teams switched to the 3-4 after the Pats started dominating.

thanks. i started talking about this whole college to the pros thing with datruth after the Saban debacle, so I started doing some research on the subject and wanted to share my findings (and, as always, my opinion)

YoHoChecko
02-16-2007, 09:58 PM
Excellent research with data and quotes there, and a very true thesis.

I have one objection.

Recently, the ‘stress’ factor of the NFL has also come into play with some of the coaches in the ”College coaches with very limited NFL experience” category leaving the pro game due to the stress level. Coaching in the college ranks is a fun experience for everyone involved. The NFL is a profession. It’s business. And it’s VERY difficult for a head coach, who absorbs the brunt of the pressures. Barry Switzer, after leaving the NFL, said, quite bluntly, 'In the NFL, everybody is meaner. Fans, media, everybody. It's a mean place.'

Jimmy Johnson, considered the most successful convert from college to the NFL ranks, says, "NFL coaching has become a harsh business. In college, they can get mad at you, but there's still a rah-rah atmosphere, and a lot of that good-old-school loyalty. In the NFL, it's either win, or we're gonna cut your throat."

Not everyone in college is having fun, and that business, too, has become quite cut-throat. The two coaches you quoted on these points have been out of the NFL for several years and out of the college game for an even longer period of time.

In fact, it is the cut-throat and increasingly business-like atmosphere of the college coaching profession that has contributed to the college-to-NFL phenomenon in that in an effort to constantly woo and retain the best coaches, the college salaries have sky-rocketed. There was a time when college coaches would "advance" into coordinator roles in the NFL first. That was considered a move up. Now, such a move would be almost unheard of because of the significance of the college coach in today's world. To argue that one is more difficult or that they are different I will accept, but to offer that one is more business-like or more of a "profession," I will object.

Otherwise, though, a smashingly good piece with research, readability and my personal kryptonite these days, brevity (just wait till my next article. It rambles way too long through the story of a long assistant coaching career).

jjflr
02-17-2007, 10:35 AM
Thanks for the props on the article...........as far as the 'stress' factor, the last 3 'college' coaches hired into the NFL have all left their head coaching positions in the NFL due to 'stress', either coming right out and saying it (Davis) or hinting at it as Spurrier and Saban did................once these coaches are further removed from their NFL experiences, you will hear more openess from them about how different their college experiences were compared to their NFL experience (as many have done already).........no question, I agree that the college game has become more business-like over the past 15-20 years, but there is no doubt that the college coaching experience is still more relaxed than the NFL in addition to the fact that it's easier on the coach's family in college ball..............and I think that's where a lot of these college guys are miscalulating (or simply ignoring), is the effect the move is going to have on their family.............

l.a. no-teamers
02-18-2007, 05:31 PM
Both Petrino and Kiffin are technically ”college coaches with very limited NFL experience,” so I'm not sure if you are grouping those guys with that category.

Kiffin's NFL personnel experience is very minimal - 1 year i believe - but something many people overlook and very few seemed to have mentioned is that he grew up around the pro game. Perhaps that's something that will benefit him in this endeavor. I dont question his football mind, because he has it. He's been mentored by the best - Carroll, Chow, Monte- but its his leadership and management skills that will make or break him

patriotfreakfan
02-18-2007, 06:44 PM
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“Stop Hiring NFL Head Coaches Directly From The College Ranks”

or “Why the Raiders are Grasping at Straws”

By
JJFLR
February 2007

Once again this off-season, another NFL team has plundered the ranks of college ball, hiring a head coach with absolutely NO NFL experience in the hopes that it will magically lead their team to the promised land. As the voice of reason, I am here to say it must STOP and it must STOP immediately. Recent history shows us that it simply doesn’t work.



http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5886298_36_2.jpghttp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2002/01/04/spurrier_resigns_ap/t1_spurrier_all-01.jpghttp://www.ukathletics.com/image_lib/fb_brooks_chat.jpg http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/35/354355.jpg

Since 1995, NFL teams have brought in 4 coaches directly from the college coaching ranks that did not have ANY previous NFL experience…………Mike Riley, Steve Spurrier, Rich Brooks, and Dennis Erickson. These coaches had a combined 13 seasons of NFL coaching and not a single winning record to show for it. 208 regular season games, only 79 victories, and zero playoff appearances. Teams need to understand that it is not 1989 and the Johnson/Switzer success the Cowboys enjoyed prior to modern-day free agency had more to do with talent than coaching.

Butch Davis, Nick Saban, Tom Coughlin, Steve Mariucci, and Al Groh are considered recent ‘college’ coaches but they all had at least ‘some’ previous assistant experience in the NFL and therefore are in another category………..We will call them ”College coaches with very limited NFL experience”.

Not surprisingly, these ”College coaches with very limited NFL experience” had ‘more’ success than the college coaches with NO NFL experience but they still haven’t done anything substantial. Out of the 27 seasons these ‘other’ college coaches have completed thus far as Head Coaches in pro-ball, they posted 11 winning seasons. This is not horrible and the longevity that Coughlin and Mariucci have both enjoyed in the league, with multiple playoff appearances, reinforces the importance of having at least some exposure to the NFL prior to becoming a head coach. These ‘other’ college coaches, however, have not posted any Super Bowl appearances and only one of them still has a head coaching position in the NFL and his status is teetering as we head into next season.

The fact of the matter is that the teams that are hiring experienced NFL minds are having greater success. Almost all of the NFL coaches in recent years that have had success were assistant coaches in the league for some period of time immediately prior to moving up to a head coaching position.

The NFL game is a COMPLETELY different animal from the college game. Dennis Green, who has coached both the college and pro games says, “For those who have not worked on the NFL level, the tempo, the length of the season, the weekly ups and downs can catch them by surprise. I do think a guy coming into the pro game without any experience as a pro assistant has a more difficult time." Bill Polian, Colts president, adds, "It is a completely different game."

The level of competition in the NFL cannot be re-produced ANYWHERE in Division 1 football. Al Groh tried the NFL experience for one season as a head coach and states, “In the NFL, all 32 teams are essentially equal talent-wise, and that is not the case in college. In the NFL, all the teams have the same salary cap, similar stadiums, facilities, circumstances. In college, you can be considerably better than your opponent if you coach at certain schools, and in the end, it's about competition, satisfaction, feeling you're having an impact on young men. In some ways, that's more attainable in college.''

The college coach is a recruiter. He is a father to young men. An NFL coach is attempting to motivate an entire locker-room full of other grown men in addition to dealing with media pressures all while trying to out-wit the coach on the other sideline every Sunday. Tim Fox, former Patriots defensive back puts it like this, "So much more preparation goes into the coaching in the NFL. The game is much more complex. In college, you don't have all day every day to prepare for the game. You get a practice and a meeting. Compare that to the NFL, where you show up at 9 a.m. on Monday for film, on Tuesday for game planning, on Wednesday and Thursday for practice and more meetings."

Recently, the ‘stress’ factor of the NFL has also come into play with some of the coaches in the ”College coaches with very limited NFL experience” category leaving the pro game due to the stress level. Coaching in the college ranks is a fun experience for everyone involved. The NFL is a profession. It’s business. And it’s VERY difficult for a head coach, who absorbs the brunt of the pressures. Barry Switzer, after leaving the NFL, said, quite bluntly, 'In the NFL, everybody is meaner. Fans, media, everybody. It's a mean place.'

Jimmy Johnson, considered the most successful convert from college to the NFL ranks, says, "NFL coaching has become a harsh business. In college, they can get mad at you, but there's still a rah-rah atmosphere, and a lot of that good-old-school loyalty. In the NFL, it's either win, or we're gonna cut your throat."

The ‘stress’ factor of the NFL is magnified due to the fact that these migrating coaches appear to be forgetting about the adjustment that the ‘change’ forces onto the rest of their family. Lou Holtz, a short-timer in the NFL back in the 70’s, states, “``Raising a family around a college is ideal. Your wife and kids can go to baseball games, basketball games, plays, concerts, it's really nice for them. Moving to a big city is an adjustment.''

Johnson back’s up Holtz’s opinion, “"In college, you can have a personal life, a family life. In the NFL, you can forget that for about 10 months a year, maybe all 12. If you are doing the job the right way, a personal life basically doesn't exist. There's a huge difference in how much work you have to put in, and also in the numbers of headaches."

How does all of this affect the 2 new ‘college’ hires, you ask? Looking at the recent ‘college’ hires and how all of this affects the Raiders and Falcons is this:

http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Coach/PHOTO/KIFFIN,-LANE150.JPG

Don’t expect anything incredible in Oakland. Davis didn’t have a lot of choices. No one wants to coach there. Look for Kiffin to struggle for a couple of years in the NFL and then take his dog-and-pony show back to the college ranks in a head coaching position. He will remain there for the rest of his career.

http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/college/allsport/confusa/louisville/petrino_bob2.jpg

In Atlanta, Petrino may have ‘some’ success. He has 3 years of NFL assistant experience with the Jaguars, but I wouldn’t look for him to be making any miracles happen. The best you could hope for if you are a Petrino fan is that he become a long-timer like Coughlin, and will at least turn in some winning seasons from time-to-time wherever he is coaching in the league.

Come on Man Please show the proper Quoting here from the articles you used.

chiefzilla
02-19-2007, 07:21 PM
I agree. The quality control coach, which is the title Kiffin held, is pretty much the team's gopher. It's pretty much the "waterboy" of assistant coaching jobs.




Both Petrino and Kiffin are technically ”college coaches with very limited NFL experience,” so I'm not sure if you are grouping those guys with that category.

Kiffin's NFL personnel experience is very minimal - 1 year i believe - but something many people overlook and very few seemed to have mentioned is that he grew up around the pro game. Perhaps that's something that will benefit him in this endeavor. I dont question his football mind, because he has it. He's been mentored by the best - Carroll, Chow, Monte- but its his leadership and management skills that will make or break him

jjflr
12-31-2008, 08:42 AM
i was looking for something else around the forums and found this article I wrote 2 years ago about Kiffin and Petrino being hired.

I get sick of being right all the time. Here's what I said about Kiffin when he was first hired by the Raiders ............ "Don’t expect anything incredible in Oakland. Davis didn’t have a lot of choices. No one wants to coach there. Look for Kiffin to struggle for a couple of years in the NFL and then take his dog-and-pony show back to the college ranks in a head coaching position. He will remain there for the rest of his career."

jjflr
01-26-2009, 07:35 PM
apparently the nfl finally figured out what i figured out a long time ago ............ college coaches to the nfl isn't working ............. i think it's been a while since anyone has hired someone from the college ranks .................