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Crunked
04-30-2006, 10:16 AM
http://www.pigskinheaven.com/gallery/files/7/2006_Draft_cl.gif Typically success in the draft is measured in years not hours. Do you think that would stop PSH from reviewing day one activities and passing judgement on their success or failure, no way! We will be disecting the draft round by round and pick by pick. Giving the untethered skinny on what your club did right or wrong. lets dive in to the draft activities and see what kind of things we learn.









The Winners
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Mario Williams De N.Carolina State
Demeco Ryans LB Alabama
Charles Spencer OT Pittsburgh
Eric Winston OT Miami (FL)
Analysis:
Some will argue that they missed their opportunity by not taking Bush. Although Bush could concievably be the second coming, the Texans filled a huge need which will ultimately prove to be more fruitful than taking Reggie Bush (at least for them). They also topped that brash move off with acquiring a much needed LB and (Gasp!) Offensive line help. Well done Texans!
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Broderick Bunkley DT Fla. St.
Winston Justice T USC
Chris Gocong DL Cal Poly
Analysis:
Bunkley and Justice both fell like Manna from heaven into Andy Reids chubby lap. Eagles fans have to be excited, by strategy or by luck either way you want to peg it, so far so VERY good for the Eagles.
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Vernon Davis TE Maryland
Manny Lawson DE N.C. State
Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin
Analysis:
If you are a niners fan you have to be geeked, their best draft in the last few years by far, potentially three first day starters in three picks, that is batting 1000 sit back and smile you wont be picking so high next year.
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Kamerion Wimbley LB Fla. St.
D'Qwell Jackson LB Maryland
Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma
Analysis:
The Browns add to a fabulous free agency with an equally fabulous draft, Wilson would be the only caviot to that scenario, but at 3rd round who cares, instant contenders with their off season moves, you gotta be happy if you are a dawg.
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Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
Chad Jackson WR Florida
David Thomas TE Texas
Analysis:
Great Pick in Maroney, right talent at the right time for the right team (told you the Colts wouldn't get him). Jackson, stealing candy from a baby type draft steal great job by the Pats. Dave Thomas , Wendy's founder and TE...good value at a 3rd rounder, they can only go down from here.
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A.J. Hawk LB Ohio State
Darryn Colledge T Boise St.
Greg Jennings WR W. Michigan
Abdul Hodge LB Iowa
Jason Spitz OL Louisville
Analysis:
Hawk, a no brainer pick points only for common sense there, Colledge and Jennings are both a bit of a stretch at their slots but Hodge was a great value pick so they gain from that> Spitz, well he is just about right, not spectacular, not too shabby either, they needed a lot and they got it, makes them winners.

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Reggie Bush RB USC
Roman Harper S Alabama
Analysis:
Come on they got Reggie Bush, winners by default. More importantly Harper is an all around athelte, he flew under the main stream media radar, but he has skills, they didn't have a third rounder but they made the most of their two picks.
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Ernie Sims LB Fla. St.
Daniel Bullocks S Nebraska
Brian Calhoun RB Wisconsin
Analysis:
These are the low end winners, they are an average day two away from finishing on the fence. The upside is so far there have been no WR taken, although Calhoun was a head scratching choice at RB, do they need a RB???

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Tye Hill DB Clemson
Joe Klopfenstein TE Colorado
Claude Wroten DT LSU
Jon Alston LB Stanford
Dominique Byrd TE USC
Analysis:
Hill, Klop and Wroten all solid picks, from there on out its depth and development. Someone did their homework in the Rams war room, good for them.
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Michael Huff S Texas
Thomas Howard LB UTEP
Paul McQuistan OT Weber St.
Analysis:
Paul McWho? well never the less Howard and Huff are solid acquisitions, lets see what these guys do with day two.

The Losers
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Joseph Addai RB LSU
Tim Jennings DB Georgia
Freddie Keiaho LB San Diego State
Analysis:
Addai, may prove to be a sound replacement for Edge over time, personally I think he runs too high, and will be like the rock-em sock-em robots of my youth continually getting his "block knocked off". Jennings an early day two prospect was snatched by the Colts in the 2nd round, that is my knock on picking him, not that he was a bad choice, just that he was chosen way too early....after all do the Colts need another sub 6' defender on the field? We are like the all chihuahua defense, the ankle biters of the south. Lastly Freddie, Keiaho, thank GOD he was red shirted as a freshman, so he could finally win a starting spot as a senior. SD State is a defensive powerhouse ya know (wink,wink) anyway great second day player to take a chance with....we wasted a 3rd rounder on him. Too early, too often is what makes this a bad draft for the Colts.
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Bobby Carpenter LB Ohio State
Anthony Fasano TE Notre Dame
Jason Hatcher DE Grambling State
Analysis:
Carpenter, good talent, taken too high and do they need him??? Well you can argue that they needed more LB talent, its just too stinking high for what he brings to the table, Fasano, well his knock he carries the ball away from his body, and even in college that led to the label of "fumblitis". Hatcher, his knock is he plays too upright, that will earn him a turf chair in the NFL. Parcells reached on day one, shame on you Bill.
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Jason Allen S Tennessee
Derek Hagan WR Arizona St.
Analysis:
There is no glaring "OH MY GOD!" issues with what the Dolphins did, Jason Allen first round talent with a question mark about his injured hip, that is a risk. Derek Hagan, had trouble catching a ball and reading a zone for the pockets in the senior bowl, besides I would not list WR as the Fins biggest need, not by a long shot. two picks, questionable selections, I have seen my first chink in Sabans armour.
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Jimmy Williams DB Virginia Tech
Jerious Norwood RB Miss. St.
Analysis:
One of the poorer day one players, the knock on Williams is Consistency, and work ethic with some off field question marks, all red flags to everyone but the Falcons. Norwood, good value but un-needed to a squad with Dunn and Duckett already wrestling for playing time. Poor draft for the Falcons to this point.
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Antonio Cromartie DB Fla. St.
Marcus McNeil OT Auburn
Charlie Whitehurst QB Clemson
Analysis:
Good picks for a SB winner but at the mid point of the rounds? No they over stepped over risked over stated their picks, too much too soon for too little, Cromartie was injured, hero or goat talent level, you dont take that kind of player with #19. McNeil and Whitehurst serviceable but unspectular for where they were picked, the Chargers are slipping.
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Roger McIntosch LB Miami
Analysis:
I hate to just talk about one guy, but the Skins don't really think talent comes from the draft, its a commodity you buy in Free Agency, look its proven time and time again buying a team wins, Champi........wait, it has NEVER won anything! New England, Pittsburgh, Seattle, the Colts, Jax, Green Bay, etc etc all build from the draft and I could go on, when is this madness going to end in Washington? YOU GUYS NEED to establish a developmental program to draft wisely and build from within. Biggest loser again this year in the draft.

The Fence Stradlers
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Vince Young QB Texas
LenDale White RB USC
Analysis:
The first mistake of the draft was made by the Titans, why on earth would anyone consider the GM making the number 3 pick in the draft a good thing? Matt Leinert was clearly the most logical choice here, and reportedly the coaching staff's first choice. They did redeem themselves in some respects with the addition of White in the second round. Day two will make or break their 2006 draft.
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Santonio Holmes WR Ohio St.
Anthony Smith S Syracuse
Willie Reid WR Fla.St.
Analysis:
They haven't really lost anything and haven't really added anything spectacular an average draft all the way around so far.

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Chad Greenway LB Iowa
Cedric Griffin DB Texas
Ryan Cook C New Mexico
Tarvaris Jackson QB Alabama St.
Analysis:
All value picks for the spot in which they were chosen, Childress walks away from his first draft looking sound if not conservative, Jackson was a reach at the end of round 2 but seeing as though they don't pick again until middle 4th they were forced to act on their assessment of his skills or risk losing out on him altogether.
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Haloti Ngata DT Oregon
Chris Chester OL Oklahoma
David Pittman DB Northwestern St.
Analysis:
From the Goose to a Duck, Ngata wont penetrate, he isnt strong enough or quick enough to rush the passer, he is however a blocker eating machine, too high for anyone BUT The Ravens. If Ray, ray isnt free to roam now he should retire, Chester and Pittman are eh so what picks, these guys are going to need to step up day two activities or join my Colts in the loser bracket.
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DeAngelo Williams RB Memphis
Richard Marshall CB Fresno St.
James Anderson LB Virginia Tech.
Rashad Butler OT Miami
Analysis:
Williams was a good selection, after that really no surprises here, depth and development stretching a little on a couple but not reaching on any, a so-so day which ain't bad in an NFL draft brother.
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D'Brickashaw Ferguson T Virginia
Nick Mangold C Ohio State
Kellen Clemens QB Oregon
Anthony Schlegal ILB Ohio State
Eric Smith S Michigan State
Analysis:
Look this list could fall into winners, losers or fence stradlers depending on your point of view. There is a lot of potential there, lets see if it becomes reality. I personally don't like the number four pick going for an offensive lineman, but Fergy's good......just seems a steep price to pay for a tackle.
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Mathias Kiwanuka DE Boston College
Sinorice Moss WR Miami
Gerris Wilkinson LB Georgia Tech
Analysis:
Mathias, smallish, needs more moves, needs more strength gets washed out of plays easily, developmental stock at best, not what you want in a 1st rounder. Moss was a nice value recovery and Wilkinson, eh, about right where they have him, all in all could have been a lot better these guys are at the low end of the fence stradlers, better hope for a good day two or they will join the losers.
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Kelly Jennings DB Miami
Darryl Tapp DE Virginia Tech.
Analysis:
They are picking 31st in each round they don't need much and they arent getting much. Whatever you do, don't consider that a bad thing.
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Donte Whitner S Ohio State
John McCargo DT N.C. State
Ashton Youbouty DB Ohio State
Analysis:
This is not a bad day one for the Bills, forced into taking Whitner about 6-8 positions higher than he was ranked, it happens they would have prefered not to have to do it, but it was do it or lose him so I can't fault that. McCargo though pegged by most to be a 2nd to 3rd rounder was quite the surprise, unless the Bills knew something the rest of us did not that was a reach. Finally Ashton made up for the second round reach as a nice value pick in round 3, all in all they have added some quality youth to their defense.
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Davin Joseph G Oklahoma
Jeremy Trueblood T Boston College
Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame
Analysis:
One of the strongest fence stradlers, they are just a nice day two from being winners, there is no knock on any of their selections they were all nice, they filled team needs its just not spectacular. Building an O-line from the draft is a slow multi year process and it may not be until 07 that the quality of their selections will be validated, that is what puts them on the fence.
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Tamba Hali DE Penn St.
Benard Pollard S Purdue
Brodie Croyle QB Alabama
Analysis:
All sound picks for their locales in the draft, but nothing spectacular to see here, lets hope their team as a whole can stay healthy and elevate their game.
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Matt Leinart QB USC
Taitui Lutui G USC
Leonard Pope TE Georgia
Analysis:
Matt, was a huge draft day gift sweet acquisition and makes this squad legit for the first time in modern history. Lutui is a work in progress if he can lose about 40 pounds he will be quicker and have better endurance for the pro game, right now a marginal selection, if he can tone and trim he is a diamond in the rough for Denny. Pope won't be much of an impact at first, probably should have stayed in college one more year but is another diamond in the rough potential, you could say winners on day one if you wanted, but since Lutui and Pope have to materialize I peg them as a stradler because they need O line help sooner rather than later.
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Marcedez Lewis TE UCLA
Maurice Drew RB UCLA
Clint Engram LB Oklahoma
Analysis:
All sound picks, right guys right talent at the proper place in the draft order. Nothing spectacular but all add to the talent in Jacksonville. Fence stradlers because they are staying the course, no wild hidden gems, YET, no wtf are they thinking picks. Engram has shown spurts of brilliance, if he can be developed he has monster potential in the NFL, but until that is realized I put these guys on the draft fence.
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Danieal Manning DB
Devin Hester DB Miami
Dusty Dvoracek DL Oklahoma
Analysis:
These guys did nothing spectacular with their picks, having 2nd round and beyond they saddled themselves with building for depth, which is what they have done here, one of these guys may rise from the ashes like a phoenix, but its just depth building and a so-so effort.
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Johnathan Joseph DB S. Carolina
Andrew Witworth OT LSU
Frostee Rucker DE USC
Analysis:
eh, a so so draft to this point day two will make or break these guys. If you are a fan don't be disappointed, but again don't pump that chest out you are sitting on the fence and a bad day two will put you in the losers bracket in a heart beat.
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Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
Tony Scheffler TE W. Michigan
Analysis:
Cutler keeps these guys from the losers bracket, but barely as they continue to ignore their defensive needs, maybe day two will change that.
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Showtime
04-30-2006, 10:32 AM
Vince Young QB Texas
LenDale White RB USC
Analysis:
The first mistake of the draft was made by the Titans, why on earth would anyone consider the club owner making the number 3 pick in the draft a good thing? Matt Leinert was clearly the most logical choice here, and reportedly the coaching staff's first choice. They did redeem themselves in some respects with the addition of White in the second round. Day two will make or break their 2006 draft.
Bud Adams didn't make the decision. GM Floyd Reese all along said he liked Young. I for one am ecstatic it was Young. Also LenDale was a huge steal where we got him and he should be just fine with Chow and Fisher there to keep him in line. He'll be in shape and ready to show the Colts and every other team the mistake they made when they passed on him.;)

Crunked
04-30-2006, 10:38 AM
my bad, either way I don't think going against the coaches is a good draft strategy......but I agree with your White assessment

ShutDwn
04-30-2006, 10:43 AM
Umm, getting a back with DeAngelo's skills and a first round corner in the second isn't good enough? They got steals on both those picks.

Anderson and Butler have tons of potential, and were good picks in the third.

Crunked
04-30-2006, 07:20 PM
Every draft pick has potential thats why only 1 guy is the number 1 pick the rest have "potential" to be contributors, these guys could pan out, they could fall flat on their face, you don't know, I don't know they don't know what the future will bring

Champ
04-30-2006, 07:44 PM
Too high for Carpenter? I've seen reports that he wasn't going to get by the Pats at 21 or the 49ers. I think we tried to trade down, but I don't think we could have moved down too far if we wanted Carpenter. Not a sexy first day for Dallas, but I don't think we should be listed as losers. Carpenter will be able to cover TEs and help out in run support(reason we didn't take Lawson).

bLACKpANTHER
04-30-2006, 09:42 PM
i would label us as winners, but only because of Deangelo.. he was a complete steal at #27.. Richard Marshall too, but the rest are streches, i see whatchamean..

Vikes4life
04-30-2006, 09:55 PM
[QUOTE=Crunked]http://www.pigskinheaven.com/gallery/files/7/2006_Draft_cl.gif

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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=1]Chad Greenway LB Iowa
Cedric Griffin DB Texas
Ryan Cook C New Mexico
Tarvaris Jackson QB Alabama St.
Analysis:
All value picks for the spot in which they were chosen, Childress walks away from his first draft looking sound if not conservative, Jackson was a reach at the end of round 2 but seeing as though they don't pick again until middle 4th they were forced to act on their assessment of his skills or risk losing out on him altogether.


The reason they didn't have another pick until the 4th round was because they gave up both thier 3rd round picks to move up to take Jackson. It was a reasch and a wasted trade on the Vikings part. They very well could have gotten Jackson in the 3rd, maybe 4th round and had an extra pick.

nyGiants4life
05-01-2006, 01:14 AM
The Giants are fence-straddlers is this a joke? This has to be one of the worst drafting jobs in recent history..I pointed out already that had we not traded any of our picks we could have had
DeAngelo Williams (replace Tiki eventually) or Santonio Holmes
Devin Hester (instead of Sinorice Moss) or Lendale White
Max-Jean Gilles (line depth and hopeful starter)
Elvis Dumervil (pass rusher)

Just a horrible, horrible job and we really missed out on alot of opportunities and I really can't state how disappointed I am in Accorsi.

Crunked
05-01-2006, 06:57 AM
The Giants are fence-straddlers is this a joke? This has to be one of the worst drafting jobs in recent history..I pointed out already that had we not traded any of our picks we could have had
DeAngelo Williams (replace Tiki eventually) or Santonio Holmes
Devin Hester (instead of Sinorice Moss) or Lendale White
Max-Jean Gilles (line depth and hopeful starter)
Elvis Dumervil (pass rusher)

Just a horrible, horrible job and we really missed out on alot of opportunities and I really can't state how disappointed I am in Accorsi.

Well if you look at it that way there are a lot of teams that could be listed as losers. Your first round selection was a head scratcher, otherwise you did alright. And maybe they wanted someone they oculd develop into a pass rusher ya know Strahan is no spring chicken, so although I think the pick was wasted I could kinda of see a thought process there. I dunno, no one will know for about 2 or 3 years who did well today.....this is just a fun way on paper to quantify each teams actions.

StevenSD
05-01-2006, 10:57 AM
The Chargers are slipping?! They skipped on Justice because of character problems. They picked up Cromartie because he is a rare talent and has the potential to be one of the best in the game. McNeill is 6'7" and is a beast, imagine linebackers and defensive ends trying to get to LT past that? Come on now. Whitehurst, might've been a reach, but AJ wanted good quality depth, and he saw a significant amount of difference between first day QB's and second day QB's.

nyGiants4life
05-01-2006, 09:12 PM
Well if you look at it that way there are a lot of teams that could be listed as losers. Your first round selection was a head scratcher, otherwise you did alright. And maybe they wanted someone they oculd develop into a pass rusher ya know Strahan is no spring chicken, so although I think the pick was wasted I could kinda of see a thought process there. I dunno, no one will know for about 2 or 3 years who did well today.....this is just a fun way on paper to quantify each teams actions.

Yes, but we drafted a defensive end, while Strahan and Osi are great and last year we got Justin Tuck, a star DE from Notre Dame who's stock dropped because of injuries. We passed up on Santonio Holmes and Lendale White and got a DE instead. Sinorice Moss < Devin Hester (Better PR, KR skills + break tackle ability)...just a bad draft and our 3rd rounder I never heard of but he's slow I read and kind of unathletic and instead we could have gotten Max Jean Gilles I think...just I think a bad, bad draft.

raiderfan684
05-01-2006, 09:18 PM
I think your wrong about Haloti Ngata. That was an excellent draft pick for them. He is not a pass rusher, and Ngata has even admitted that it was not his strength. He is truly a run stuffer, and he was the best one available in years. He does have the strength, come on he was taking on 2-3 blockers on every play in college, and he was still productive. He is the massive DT that Ray was crying for, and he will be successful in the 4-3 scheme.

Chris Raiden
05-01-2006, 09:22 PM
But will he make them any better as a rookie than did Ma'ake Kemoeatu last year (a four year vet if memory serves...)? Probably not.

Not saying it's a bad pick, just saying he's not going to make them better right away.

-RD

raiderfan684
05-01-2006, 09:31 PM
I think he will make them better. The defensive line play was very weak from the Ravens which added to their bad record and defensive rankings. This past season was the first one when no defensive player made the pro bowl in their existence. Haloti will make the team better because he will let Ray freelance and do what he does best, play sideline to sideline. He will also occupy double and triple teams, and that allows other players on the defensive line to get isolation and one on one matchups, which they should win and at least get a pressure. The element that people always forget about is his ability to close the pocket. He will push the Center and Guard back, leaving the QB with no room to step up and make the throw. The QB is left exposed in the back of the pocket and is a sitting duck for the blitz. Yea, the only real "duck" is going to be the opposing team's QB. Just MO

Chris Raiden
05-02-2006, 06:47 PM
I think he will make them better. The defensive line play was very weak from the Ravens which added to their bad record and defensive rankings. This past season was the first one when no defensive player made the pro bowl in their existence. Haloti will make the team better because he will let Ray freelance and do what he does best, play sideline to sideline. He will also occupy double and triple teams, and that allows other players on the defensive line to get isolation and one on one matchups, which they should win and at least get a pressure. The element that people always forget about is his ability to close the pocket. He will push the Center and Guard back, leaving the QB with no room to step up and make the throw. The QB is left exposed in the back of the pocket and is a sitting duck for the blitz. Yea, the only real "duck" is going to be the opposing team's QB. Just MO

That's the thing though, their defense wasn't bad last year. They were 10th in points allowed per game and fifth in yards. Unless Haloti starts lining up both ways at offensive and defensive tackle, he doesn't really help the Ravens much this year, other than to plug the gaping hole left by Ma'ake Kemoeatu, who was/is the same type of player.

-RD

Crunked
05-02-2006, 07:31 PM
I think your wrong about Haloti Ngata. That was an excellent draft pick for them. He is not a pass rusher, and Ngata has even admitted that it was not his strength. He is truly a run stuffer, and he was the best one available in years. He does have the strength, come on he was taking on 2-3 blockers on every play in college, and he was still productive. He is the massive DT that Ray was crying for, and he will be successful in the 4-3 scheme.

Ngata wont penetrate, he isnt strong enough or quick enough to rush the passer, he is however a blocker eating machine, too high for anyone BUT The Ravens. If Ray, ray isnt free to roam now he should retire



Dont ya just love spirited debate? :)
especially when someone is arguing the exact same thing with you

raiderfan684
05-02-2006, 08:33 PM
Dont ya just love spirited debate? :)
especially when someone is arguing the exact same thing with you
I was under the impression that you did not approve of the pick, since you did put them in the category of the "fence straddlers" picks.

Crunked
05-03-2006, 06:25 AM
Fence Stradlers=not good/not bad
article reviewing cumulative total of all first day picks