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kve820
12-09-2005, 03:01 PM
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Instant Replay...Love it or Hate it? or just leave it.

For many seasons now the NFL has had "Instant Replay" as a officiating help tool. Several times in games before instant replay showed up their were questionable calls that would have made huge differences in the games outcome. Hence something had to be done, That is where instant replay comes in.

A brief history of a few games where instant replay may have changed NFL History. The Immaculate Reception in Pittsburgh, well this one is still a toss up because at the game the Camera coverage never really showed any conclusive evidence that it wasn't a catch so this one will be debated forever.

Raiders at Bronco's AFC Championship Game 1978, it's known as the Faux Fumble, Runningback Rob Lytle of Denver was running to the goal line from the 2 when met by Jack Tatum of the Raiders who knocked the ball loose and was picked up by Raiders Linebacker Mike McCoy who returned it all the way for a apparent touchdown, but the officals had a long discussion and ruled no fumble, Denver scored shortly after. Now this was a 14 point swing in a title game and when it was over the Broncos won 20-17 sending them to their first Super Bowl appearence. A replay of the play shown on National Television clearly showed a fumble, but no replay was in affect at that time period in the NFL. If it had been the call would have been reversed and the Oakland Raiders would have went to the Super Bowl XII not Denver.


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Here's another, 1969 Kansas City Chiefs versus the Oakland Raiders, boy the Raiders have been involved with so many calls in the league, Quarterback Len Dawson threw a pass for a first down to Otis Thorpe, but when you look at the replay , Thorpe was clearly out of bounds. He caught the ball with one foot out of bounds and then ran for more yards afterwards. This was a big momentum changer in the game.


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These are some of games of the past before instant replay was around as a tool. And believe me there are plenty more. Now lets look at some games since the instant replay was a part of the game. Interesting results in my opinion.

Do you remember the Jets and Seahawks game in 1998? When Jets QB Vinny Testaverde's 5 yard TD run helped the Jets pull out a 1 point victory. The problem was Vinny was stopped short of the goal line and clearly shows the ball at least a football length short of the goaline. Referee claims afterward he thought the Helmet of Testaverde was the football. That call cost the Seahawks the game.


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Everyone has heard about the Tom Brady and the tuck rule. A huge play and we all know the outcome there. But do you remember the Cleveland Browns and the Jacksonville Jaguars game in 2001? I felt bad for the Browns after this call. They really got "messed over", to put it lightly, in this game.
They were trailing by 5 points with the ball at the 12 yard line of the Jag's, Tim Couch hit Quincy Morgan on a fourth and 2 pass , Morgan made the catch for the first down, Couch and the Browns came to the line of scrimmage and spiked the ball. Then things got WEIRD, the Ref stopped the Browns before they could run another play, their 2nd play after the catch of Morgan not first. The ref , Terry McAulay, said the Instant replay booth had buzzed him and another ref before the Browns spiked the ball. Now on replay it clearly shows no ref making a attempt to stop play. The play is reviewed and overturned , Morgan's catch was ruled incomplete and this ended the playoff hopes of the Browns. Things got worse when the Browns fans started throwing stuff on the field and ref Terry McAulay called it a game with .48 ticks left on the clock. A call from the commish said to "finish the game". So they did. Now I said earlier the Browns got messed over on this , and heres why, the refs allowed a play to take place after the play in question hence shouldn't be reviewed, replay clearly shows no attempt by refs to stop play during the next play only after the play was concluded.

How about the Titans and Bill's playoff game? Was it a lateral? To this day there is debate whether it was or not. On some angles it looks like a lateral and on others it looks like a forward pass. This kinda reminds me of a saying I used alot about religion," those that what to believe will, those that don't want to believe, won't. So unless there is absolute proof others can't and will not be swayed either way. Then there will be those in denial no matter what.

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How about the Phil Luckett "coin toss" thanksgiving game several years ago.
Now the answer is given before the toss in the air. And at least 3 more refs are to be present for the toss. But you can bet that a replay and a discussion between refs someday will decide it again, now that would be funny to use a replay of the coin toss before the game even begins, what are we coming to?

This only a small sample of games that replay has had or should have had a affect on. There are many more games that have been affected good for one team or bad for another.

But I really do not believe instant replay has changed the game that much. We still have disputed calls after replay, the tuck rule being the most discussed as of late and will be for years to come, not unlike the Immaculate Reception when there was no instant replay.

I believe Instant Replay should be canned or changed to allow "Everything" to be reviewed. I am sick and tired of seeing a play that was a game changer , " oh well the Whistle blew, can't be reviewed" , or a bad call on a DB for interference when the replay shows otherwise. I was taught as a child growing up if your going to do something do it right the first time because if you have to go back and change it your weren't right in the first place.

Instant replay has been modified several times and it will never be perfect, heck the game itself isn't perfect, the referees have a tough job, I wouldn't want that job if it were the only job left in the world. Now with the human factor we all heard it before, he/she is only human, well anything made by humans can we say " it was made by humans so there is some flaw built in"? Can we use this tool really ? There needs to be a way to keep things in check. There will always be disputed calls, that will not change, with or without instant replay's.

In closing, Instant Replay I'm afraid is here to stay. Some day that might change but I believe anytime something viewed as techically advanced like the Instant Replay Equipment is, most feel it is a step backwards. Will it someday become a monster of our own creation? I feel it hasn't made the game any better or worst and it never will either, it is what it is and if you live where I live , it aint what it aint neither.

mhwolfgang
12-09-2005, 07:29 PM
I agree with you that many calls from instant replay have either been upheld or overturned without any real conclusive evidence.

Many calls have been rectified or verified as well. It's hard to say whether or not it should stay or be eliminated, I'm not sure there is any way we could track with any real accuracy that the system has improved the officiating or not.

Like you said, People are going to believe what they want to believe, so the controversies continue, no matter what the outcome of the instant replays are.

Should they be done away with? All that will do is create even more controversy in the future now that we've had it, People would want to bring it back, once they see more questionable calls. It's now become a catch 22 option.

Patzphanatiq
12-09-2005, 07:35 PM
One thing - even with replay you will still have human error, no matter what you do. Thats the fallacy of anything we do.

I do agree on the whistle thing.. and on some of the BS penalty calls.. but that would stretch out the game even more. Would a team be willing to take a chance blowing a challange on a defensive pass interference call? Thats a conundrum in making...

kve820
12-09-2005, 09:18 PM
Your right mhwolfgang, its a catch 22, its here to stay but IMO it hasn't helped or hurt the game, but it is more of pain than anything else. like Patzphanatiq says if they review all plays including penalties it would last 6 hours, lol...especially this year with all the flags flying around. Maybe its me but there seems to be alot of yellow on the field more than usual these days.

mhwolfgang
12-09-2005, 09:23 PM
I'm not totally sure, but I agree that it seems there have been more flags this year than in the last couple of years.

At the same time, there have seemed to be a lot of missed calls that have happened this year.

I'm not sure how the league could control any of this, but it seems that the most abused call is the holding call.

I've seen so many not called this year, and at the same time, many have been called where it seemed there really wasn't a hold.

I don't know, but Am I the only one who's seen this?

kve820
12-09-2005, 09:33 PM
No, I totally agree, I believe that the game has progressed but the officating hasn't, if that makes any sense, seems they are lacking and not catching up to "todays game", there have been many non- calls and just flat out bad calls, but is it any better now than before instant replay? well maybe it was and we just didn't get to see it.

mhwolfgang
12-09-2005, 09:46 PM
That's true. I remember watching games many years ago when the TV stations only had maybe two or three tops views of plays, that never were able to show all of the angles we see now.

I bet the officials never had as much scrutinizing like they do now, and it makes it harder to justify the good and the bad calls as we see them.


A lot of it goes back to your statement again. We see what we want. and believe what we want to see. Not the exact words. but the same idea.

As long as we are all human, whether players, spectators or officials. There will be controversy.


Oh well, Let the games go on. It all gives us all that much more to talk about here.

Blackmallard
12-12-2005, 02:55 PM
Well, the holding calls don't really have anything to do with instant replay since they are not reviewable. Presumably missed holding calls are just that, no refs saw the hold.

I think instant replay is great. I don't care as much for the challenge system, I would be in favor of an official going over every play from the booth the way they do in the final minutes for the whole game. They could go over almost all of the plays without stopping the game. I think you would rarely see stoppages in play unless there actually was a bad call. Right now some coaches frequently challenge plays that were either called correctly or that have no evidence of a missed call and that would eliminate most of those.

Most of the controversies that come about with replay come about because determining possession is somewhat subjective. Two people will look at the same play and think possession was gained or lost at different points. As long as the officiating crew is consistent it is not a problem for me.

kve820
12-12-2005, 06:47 PM
I would be in favor of an official going over every play from the booth the way they do in the final minutes for the whole game

Thats not a bad Idea, I would like to see if that would work for a few games.