One of my absolute favorites at quarterback, could be a first round selection in 2010 or 2011. -RD

OK I've been hearing a lot about this kid. Mortensen is calling him a lock for the #1 pick. I've also seen a few other lists with his name on top already. I have to be honest I'm not a huge Bradford fan and he seems to be more Pro style then Tim Tebow. Could this kid and Snead both be the top QBs in next years draft as underclassmen? I really like Dan Lefevour, who right now looks to be 7th or 8th on the scouting lists. 8th really is this draft really that QB heavy? That is like a 4-5 rounder for a QB someone will get a bargain if that happens. Will guys like Billy Cundiff and Jimmy Clausen really be pushed so far down they go undrafted? Any given year what 10-13 QB are taken. Then maybe 2 or 3 more walk on undrafted and make a team. Could anyone think of a draft where a guy like Matt Grothe was a projected 7th rounder?

Matt Grothe's less of a pro style quarterback than Tim Tebow, and I'm a guy who likes him. He's no more than a 7th round pick in any draft.

dreamers, you do know this year is very weak at QB right? Also I'm guessing that if bradford and locker leave then clausen would stay. But then again if he did leave he would most definitly get drafted. Snead might be back as well. And then you look at the pro prospects from these guys....to me: bradford: bust, tebow: bust..snead/clausen/locker: eh average (then again I felt like this time last year stafford and sanchez were: eh average - meaning they have potential but I sure wouldn't bet on it...then all of sudden they are top 5 picks and starters in game 1) Lefevour will probably be a mid-late round pick who will either never see the field or will take over for a starting QB for a couple of games in like 5 years and then disappear again Grothe??? No chance, at all. who is billy cundiff?

Pigskin Heaven - Billy Cundiff Draft Profile I didn't even recognize the name right off, but he plays two counties over from me for a D2 team.

Shame on you.. Ashland's own..

Weak, are you joking? I'd take Dan Lefevour over anyone from last year and like I said he is ranked 7th or 8th right now. True Bradford can stay anther year not sure how he is listed as a Jr when he is slated to have his degree in 2010. He really has no reason to stay anther year other then to try to win a national title which is not likely. If he says I'll be shocked. Snead and Locker will not both likely declare but one of them should. As for Jimmy Clausen I think he should stay but isn't the brightest tool in shed and will likely go if he keeps up what he is doing this year on the field. Lets face it he is not winning anything and I doubt an education is high on his priority list. I think you are over looking the small schools this year. Guys like John Skelton, Billy Cundiff, Armanti Edwards, Ryan Perrilloux, and Pat Grace could make this an interesting draft. Not to mention your top 8 Srs are all looking really good. 1. Tim Tebow University of Florida 2. Colt McCoy University of Texas 3. Tony Pike University of Cincinnati 4. Dan Lefevour Central Michigan University 5. Jarrett Brown West Virginia University 6. Tim Hiller Western Michigan University 7. Zac Robinson Oklahoma State University 8. Max Hall Brigham Young University Grothe no chance? Really? If he can work out before the draft he will be a wildcat guy for some crazy team. Pat White went in the 2nd and didn't have his talent. Yes he has a bad injury that really hurts his stock but he was not crippled by any means. I'm not counting him out just yet he has the time to rehab. Billy Cundiff, , NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com Cundiff should be ranked higher IMO but as I mentioned earlier their are quite a few good small school prospects. Even if you are looking at just SRs at the 30 rank mark Curtis Pulley and Trevor Harris are both valid NFL prospects. Even if you add only 3 Jrs this will be a very deep QB draft.

I agree with OSU, I think this draft will have a lot of big names, but I dont think there are a lot of top flight QB prospects. Tebow just not a pro QB. I know he's superman in college, but his game just doesn't translate. McCoy might be decent in the right system, but he hasn't shown me the ability to drive the ball downfield or make sideline throws. Think Brady Quinn I feel the same way with LeFevour as I do McCoy. Needs to perfect system to be decent, doesn't have the measurables .

I just do not see it as weak in the least. Even if you can not jump on one of the big names and there are a lot of them their are a lot of potential 6th and 7th rounders that have the talent to be the next Brady. Max Hall is the nephew of ex Pro Bowl quarterback Danny White. I love some of the small school guys and when you have Daryll Clark, Zac Robinson, Mike Kafka, Rusty Smith, and Joe Webb slated as 6th and 7th rounders something is right. Like the top end or not you'll likely see at 4 QBs taken in the 1st and anther 3 that will be looked at as probable. I do not think I've ever seen a class this deep. To say a class is weak just because you do not like the top end guys is just an over site. Their are 5 SRs in here I pick over any one of the QBs that went last year. 8 or 9 if you add in the Jrs. Dan Lefevour is as much as a prospect as Strafford and like i said he may be a 6th rounder. Maybe last years was just that bad but in comparison this class is much better. Yes their in no Manning in their but there are a lot of potential NFL QBs in their. Tebow is a better prospect then Vince Young or Russell was and he will likely not go anywhere near the top if in the 1st at all. Unless the Raiders like him.

Again, I feel like you're throwing out big names, but I dont feel they are pro QBs. Daryll Clark? Zach Robinson? These guys are very good college QBs, but they are not even close to pro QBs. They'll be joining the rest of us in the real world in a couple of years. Max Hall isn't any special either, but he has a chance to be a journeyman backup. . I dont think this year is any more deep than other years. I can throw out 2004 as an example, which wasn't 'top heavy' but had lots of big names, just like this year, but I'd argue much much much deeper than this years draft, and I dont even think that year was a great QB draft either in comparison to the others that have gone before and after it 2004 Alex Smith - Heisman Finalist Aaron Rodgers - an absolute stud, beat USC Jason Campbell - national champion Charlie Frye - 4 year starter, hyped as next big MAC QB David Greene - 4 year starter, seemed like 10 years Kyle Orton - ultra productive statistically, was a heisman leader for a minute Andrew Walter - all time Pac Ten TD leader, 6'5' with rocket arm. As a sophomore, believed to be future #1 overall prospect Stefan LeFors - an absolute monster at Louisville. He is a lefty version of your guy LeFevour, and i'm not making that comparison because their names are similar Derek Anderson - 3 year starter, 6'6'' with rocket arm Dan Orlovski - 4 year starter, supposed sleeper pick Adrian McPherson - supposed huge upside, high risk Matt Cassell - wasn't much of a prospect Ryan Fitzpatrick - was supposed a sleeper pick Jason White - Heisman trophy winner

Your comparing this class to 2005? OK 5 current NFL starters and 4 maybe 5 NFL backups after 5 years that is a deep class. Most QBs do not last 3 years in the league if that. If this class produces 9 or 10 NFL players 5 years down the road that is huge for any class. Most classes get 9 or 10 drafted a year not 9 or 10 players still in the league 4 years down the road. OK Smith was a bust but Rodgers right now is playing pro-bowl ball. He is getting killed in GB but still playing great. Jason Campbell is playing good ball as well def. an NFL starter. Frye was never considered a good NFL prospect and was not a big name but has survived in the league. Do not remember Greene at all. Orton right now is playing like a top QB in the league and only wins a lot. Walter was anther failed Raiders QB but is also still around the league. Walter is comparible to Juice Williams who is really low in this class. LeFors was no where near the player LeFevour was and lefty QBs never last in the NFL. That is a laughable comparison he is much more mobile then that and has a much better arm. LeFevour can be a pro QB but sadly does has more of a comparison with some of the bigger BUSTS in NFL history. DA came out big but sizzled out. He is still starting somehow so I guess he had something back then. Never really liked the guy but he should be in the league I guess. I still like Dan Orlovski who I still say is the best Detroit QB in the last decade. That is still not saying much thou. Adrian McPherson had personal issues then sued the team he was trying to make. Matt Nichols is this years Adrian McPherson IMO and he will not be on any team. FSU fan and I'm saying that. A lot of people had Matt Cassell as a top ten QB in that draft so I'm not sure how you could say he wasn't much of a prospect. Anther NFL starter even if it is on perhaps the worst team right now. Ryan Fitzpatrick was and is a career backup no surprises their. Would be the starter in SL is they had kept him. Jason White? Wasn't a real NFL prospect and did just about what was expected of him. I think this group is better but if they have they same combined careers after 4 years it is still a good draft. Very few drafts are deep enough to produce 9 pro QBs that can survive in the league that long.

i believe you missed my point. You said this (2010) is the deepest draft you ever seen. I say that's not the case, that it's no more deep than any other draft. I picked one at random and said that one was deeper. It seems you would agree.... I'll pick anther one at random just to drive home my point ... lets pick 2003. (note i'm years about 5 years+ ago because they provide more conclusive results) Carson Palmer - Heisman trophy winner, nuff said Byron Leftwich - all-time MAC leader in yards and TD when he left (started all 3 years before leaving early) Kyle Boller - 4 year starter, rocket arm, great measureables Rex Grossman - Heisman runner up, big shot Florida QB Dave Ragone - was originally projected as a top 10 pick before O-line graduated and he had poor final year Chris Simms - was originally hyped as future #1 overall pick. Seneca Wallace - was huge name at Iowa St. I think he was a Heisman finalist too, although don't quote me on that Brian St Pierre - was solid QB for BC, had big arm Drew Henson - could have been 1st rounder had he stuck to football Brooks Bollinger - Good career at Wisconsin, I have no idea how he was drafted, but he has stuck around the NFL Kliff Kingsbury - huge numbers for TTU, was Graham Harrell before Graham Harrell Ken Dorsey - national champion Look at that list.. with the exception of Kingsbury, I think all of these guys have seen live action in a regular season game. Would you call this draft QB deep too? It seems all drafts are QB deep if you want to call it like that.

I have to disagree with you there. I think you're vastly underrated LeFors if you think he isn't near the player LeFevour is. In LeFors last year, he completed like 73%+ of his passes, had a 6:1 TD:INT ratio with a 11-1 record. He also ran a 4.6 40-yard dash at the combine. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but comparing one to the other is an insult to none

I thought you we're saying it was a weak draft? That was what OSU said and I do not think that is the case at all. This years seems a little deeper to me then 05s and def more top heavy. But 05s depth is what made a good draft. And this year is most def deeper then 03. 03 had a lot of shocking success in the back end but most of it was just location. After Rex there seemed to be a huge drop off in that one. No one was going to take Seneca Wallace on day one. I was shocked Dave Ragone made the 3rd and Simms stock was never really that high. He was hyped because of who he was not how he played. Sadly I think Phil had a little to do with him being picked even that high. The top 4 from that draft have all disappointed IMO. The rest only saw do to injury not because they won the job. I think only 2 of these guys where starters after their 3rd year and one of the was Rex on an injury bye. I remember a lot of people jumping on Chicago over that Rex pick. I liked it so I guess I'm just a dumball on that one. Seneca Wallace so far is the only guy I'd say has exceeded expectations in that one. Never thought of that one as real deep 12 drafted is about average. There is a dif. when your talking depth in terms of 2nd and 3rd round talent vs 6th and 7th round talent. I could have seen teams jumping on Dan Orlovski and Matt Cassell much higher but the field as a whole was just strong in 05. I think the same thing will be said in 2010. I think guys like Dan Lefevour and Zac Robinson could be early round guys but will likely fall do to the depth of high talent. If some jumped on Dan Lefevour or Zac Robinson in the 2nd I do not think it would be a huge push at all but they are projected 5th and 6th rounders. I really think you would have to go back to 1999 where Aaron Brooks was the 9th QB taken in the 4th round to find this much high round talent depth. And that is including the talent that went undrafted that year like Jeff Garcia.

Agreed. LeFors was an absolute stud. LeFvour is good, but LeFors was him before he came around. That comparison is pretty accurate.

You guys got me curious so I looked up the success of left handed QBs. In the past I have discounted any lefties thinking they are usually signed to be holders but am a little shocked as to the results of my search. Steve Young and Boomer Esiason I knew but never realized Ken Stabler and Jim Zorn where lefties. I guess there have been a few good careers as a lefty by the odds but also some of the biggest busts are on there. 3 maybe 4 of the biggest QB busts of all time that says a lot to me. I'm positive more have been drafted but those where the only ones that came up. I should start a new thread for this one but I didn't want this to get lost in the mix. This is really something that scouts think about and I do feel Lefties are discriminated in the league but with good reason. Frankie Albert Terry Baker Mark Brunell Ernie Case Jim DelGaizo Bobby Douglass Boomer Esiason Will Furrer Tony Graziani David Greene David Humm Matt Leinart Jared Lorenzen Matt Lytle Todd Marinovich Steve Matthews Paul McDonald Cade McNown Scott Mitchell Doug Nussmeier Dave Ragone Allie Sherman Chris Simms Ken Stabler Michael Vick Eric Wilhelm Steve Young Jim Zorn

This isn't about LeFors being a lefty though. He had a great career and sort of gets lost when you talk about those Louisville teams he was on. They had guys like Michael Bush, Kerry Rhodes and then Brohm, who was a better pro-prospect, but LeFors was the thing that made them very good and perhaps the reasaon they beat Boise State in the Liberty Bowl.

woohoo a terry baker mention Back to locker...his completion percentage is a mere 57% and his rating is 130...anyone think his "top 5 pick guaranteed" label is he getting is a tad overatted? and go lefties

I do think this draft is a weak QB draft, because it's light at the top ...I dont see any starter material at the top. If Bradford and Clausen go, then those guys have potiential to start someday. I'm not so high on the prospects of McCoy, Tebow, LeFevour etc... as NFL starters that's just me though, you're allowed to disagree

For the record I stand by my opinion, I just don't see any point to arguing since we won't know anything for at least 3-4 years. Clearly I won't be convincing you that this is a weak year and you won't be convincing me that guys like Jarret Brown and Mike Kaftka will be anything but QB coaches for their local high schools in 3-4 years

Another rough day for Jake, got sacked 4 times, threw an interception and the numbers were dreadful til late in the 4th (still can't believe they had him in the game with 2 minutes to go, down 48-14)

Locker put out a statement today saying he will return to school for his senior season. He's probably the consensus number one overall pick in 2011 right now. Currently, he sits second among our 2010 eligible quarterbacks, and is rated as a first round pick by the Pigskin Heaven staff.

good for him, it really is the right thing for him to do, he's just not at a point where he can be consistent enough to make it through the draft workouts still on top

I still fail to see how he is a top ten guy. I do have to think he is making the wrong move for himself thou. With so many highly rated QBs going this year I do not see a lot of teams going QB next year. Maybe 2 if that so QB will not be a top priority in 2011. Not to mention next years class is no push over either. Snead and Ponder are both good QB prospects that will look much better with anther year and Mallett may declare early to likely take that top spot in 2011 also. With 3 top Jrs declaring this draft already seems to be all in. He should be thinking strike while the iron is hot. Skip the combine and focus on the work outs. It is not like Washington is going anywhere as well. I'll laugh if the NFL puts a cap up and he doesn't make the top 10 in 2011. It just seems to be a bad gamble to me.

Locker didn't get a first-round grade from Advisory Committee | ProFootballTalk.com Locker was advised he was not a 1st rounder by the committee.

Locker's struggled as a senior, but dragging his team into a bowl game after being 0-12 two years ago and showing great leadership skills down the stretch to get it done is going to help him out. He needs to show up to the Senior Bowl, digest the playbook quickly, and show some accuracy to really cement himself as a top 10-15 selection.

Jake Locker will be attending the Senior Bowl. Good choice.